please critique my deca-only/first cycle

[ASALT]

I'm planning on doing my first cycle at the end of the summer, when all my heavy drinking is over. Wanna try a safe mild cycle at first and was thinking of doing a deca only cycle like this:
wk1-200mg
wk2-200mg
wk3-400mg
wk4-400mg
wk5- 400mg
wk6-400mg
wk7-200mg
wk8-200mg
wk9 to 12-creatine
Then 3 weeks after the last shot of deca start clomid. I am 23yrs, 5'11'', 198lbs., been lifting for 4 years. Do you guys think I will get decent gains from this or is something important missing. I don't think I would need any nolvadex or liquidex, but I could easily be wrong. I did a searc and couldn't find exactly what I was looking for. Any info will be greatly appreciated.

 

[go_hard_80]

I'm planning on doing my first cycle at the end of the summer, when all my heavy drinking is over. Wanna try a safe mild cycle at first and was thinking of doing a deca only cycle like this:
wk1-200mg
wk2-200mg
wk3-400mg
wk4-400mg
wk5- 400mg
wk6-400mg
wk7-200mg
wk8-200mg
wk9 to 12-creatine
Then 3 weeks after the last shot of deca start clomid. I am 23yrs, 5'11'', 198lbs., been lifting for 4 years. Do you guys think I will get decent gains from this or is something important missing. I don't think I would need any nolvadex or liquidex, but I could easily be wrong. I did a searc and couldn't find exactly what I was looking for. Any info will be greatly appreciated.

imo run the deca at 300mgs week/ no need to pyramid as it wil take longer to"kick-in" trust me run it at 300 mgs week wks 1-8

 

[hookuprx]

Do not stagger the dosages. Pick something and go with it, like 300 or 400mg. Changing dosages will just throw your bloodlevels all over the place.

thederrickm

 

[NFG123]

I'm planning on doing my first cycle at the end of the summer, when all my heavy drinking is over. Wanna try a safe mild cycle at first and was thinking of doing a deca only cycle like this:
wk1-200mg
wk2-200mg
wk3-400mg
wk4-400mg
wk5- 400mg
wk6-400mg
wk7-200mg
wk8-200mg
wk9 to 12-creatine
Then 3 weeks after the last shot of deca start clomid. I am 23yrs, 5'11'', 198lbs., been lifting for 4 years. Do you guys think I will get decent gains from this or is something important missing. I don't think I would need any nolvadex or liquidex, but I could easily be wrong. I did a searc and couldn't find exactly what I was looking for. Any info will be greatly appreciated.

8 week cycles of deca suck. The shit doesnt kick in until LATE and by then the cycle is almost over. Run for 10 weeks. id use 400 mg, throw in 250 mg test to keep your dick working and also to give you some REAL gains. If I were you, my cycle would look like this.

Week 1:

1 g test, 800 mg deca (frontload)

Week 2 - 10:

500 mg test, 400 mg deca

Week 4: 500 iu clomid ED

Week 10-11: 500 iu clomid ED in 5 on/2 off approach

Week 13: clomid for 4 weeks

Keep nolvadex on hand for gyno. Results should be FANTASTIC, Eat 2 g protein / lb of lean mass ED.

ROCK ON!
NFG

 

[magdelana]

I am amazed that no one warned ASALT about deca dick!

ASALT nandrolone cannot bind to the androgen receptors in your penis. After a few weeks on cycle when your endogenous T is mostly suppressed you will have more luck to win the lotterey then to have a erection. You will have a few months of cooked pasta for a penis.

Definitely add something androgenic to your cycle, like some cyp, enan, or even a bit of D-bol would be fine. Even 100mg per week of cyp would certainly be enough to keep your penis working. As a man your testes normally make between 60 and 100mg per week of T so this dosage would not be more then endogenous level.

 

[rippedtrojan]

Re: Re: please critique my deca-only/first cycle

8 week cycles of deca suck. The shit doesnt kick in until LATE and by then the cycle is almost over. Run for 10 weeks.

yes.

i would say that if you are set on deca only for some reason (maybe it's all you can get), definitely go at least 10 weeks. i would use at least 600mg every week also if it's the only juice you are going to use.

 

[genarr3]

My first cycle was 200mgs/week of Deca alone. Got good gains off of it an DID NOT GET DECA DICK. Everyone does not get it, some do, but not all.

Originally posted by magdelana
"ASALT nandrolone cannot bind to the androgen receptors in your penis" - Huh? Did you just make that up?

I would not pyramid the doses however, pick one dose and run it the same the whole way through.

 

[magdelana]

My first cycle was 200mgs/week of Deca alone. Got good gains off of it an DID NOT GET DECA DICK. Everyone does not get it, some do, but not all.

Originally posted by magdelana
"ASALT nandrolone cannot bind to the androgen receptors in your penis" - Huh? Did you just make that up?

Genarr are you serious? No i did not make this up. Nandrolone does not bind effeciently to the AR in the penis and or prostate. So it cannot cause Benign Prostate Hyperthropy that is rather common from many AAS, but it always makes it VERY diffucult to get a erection.

I suspect you did not get d-dick because you were taking a TINY amount of nandrolone. 200mg per week is probably not enough to completely suppress your endogenous production of T and your testes themselves were able still to keep your penis working.

ASALT i did not notice how small your dosages were. Why so small? 400mg per week on your virgin cycle will give some fair gains, but i might suggest 600mg per week for 6 weeks. It would be more effective to build muscle and also a shorter cycle usually makes a quicker recovery of endogenous T production.

 

[ASALT]

ASALT i did not notice how small your dosages were. Why so small? 400mg per week on your virgin cycle will give some fair gains, but i might suggest 600mg per week for 6 weeks. It would be more effective to build muscle and also a shorter cycle usually makes a quicker recovery of endogenous T production.

I have read posts on this board of people getting good gains from that. But I read so much conflicting info, it's hard to tell what's best. The concensus seems to be not to stagger my doses, so I won't do that. but is 6 weeks long enough to get good gains from deca? I like the idea of a shorter cycle but 600mg seems like alot, but i'm interested.

 

[NFG123]

Re: Re: please critique my deca-only/first cycle

... id use 400 mg, throw in 250 mg test to keep your dick working and also to give you some REAL gains. If I were you, my cycle would look like this.


ROCK ON!
NFG

M. I warned him about deca dick ....

 

[NFG123]

Good cycle: 400 mg deca, 500 mg testoviron (test enanthate) for 10 weeks. You won't be disappointed.

Back off to 250 mg enanthate if you are scared ... but at 600 mg deca, many users report side effects. Bc of its cross reactivity with the Progesterone Receptor (PR) some report being emotional, or burning sensations in their nipples. Many users begin to feel at least emotional effects at the 600 mg week mark. Its best to use 400 mg until you know how you respond. Some people it doesnt affect at all ... JC21 can take 1 g deca a week and 1.5 g test a week without antiestrogens and NO SIDES.

So, id be conservative with deca .. at least at first

NFG

 

[Canuck4]

I say do 300mg of deca a week for 10 weeks.
Throw some Dbol weeks 1-4.
Perfect begginers cycle IMO

 

[NFG123]

your first cycle is your best, so make it count .... 300 mg deca doesnt cut it imo. but dont go overboard either.

NFG

 

[ASALT]

Re: Re: please critique my deca-only/first cycle

8 week cycles of deca suck. The shit doesnt kick in until LATE and by then the cycle is almost over. Run for 10 weeks. id use 400 mg, throw in 250 mg test to keep your dick working and also to give you some REAL gains. If I were you, my cycle would look like this.

Week 1:

1 g test, 800 mg deca (frontload)

Week 2 - 10:

500 mg test, 400 mg deca

Week 4: 500 iu clomid ED

Week 10-11: 500 iu clomid ED in 5 on/2 off approach

Week 13: clomid for 4 weeks

Keep nolvadex on hand for gyno. Results should be FANTASTIC, Eat 2 g protein / lb of lean mass ED.

ROCK ON!
NFG

First of all I wanna say thanks to everyone who replied. NFG, why do you recommend clomid for week 4, and then not till week 10? Also how much from week 13 on. most things I've read have said not to start clomid until 3 weeks after your last shot of deca? And how about 800mg in week , will that make a big difference instead of 400mg? I wanna be as safe as possible.

 

[genarr3]

I'm also curious as to the logic behind this Clomid regimen.

I also don't think you need to use 900mgs/week on your first cycle.

 

[Canuck4]

I say save the clomid for 3 weeks after your last injection.
Do 1st day 300mg, 10 days with 100mg AD and 10 days 50mg AD.
800mg of Deca for your first cycle is pretty high IMO.
400 would do the job with not much sideeffects.

 

[genarr3]

I say do 300mg of deca a week for 10 weeks.
Throw some Dbol weeks 1-4.
Perfect begginers cycle IMO

This is a good first cycle.

 

[eric123]

I would suggest a mild Deca and Dbol cycle.

Something like this would do wonders:

Deca***Dbol
200****5/day
300****4
300****4
400****3
400
300
300
200

This cycle recommendation belongs to another respected bodybuilder on this board (forgot who).

 

[Realgains]

Nandrolone only is not a good idea and here is why......

#1. It will likely kill all sex drive
#2. It will cause you to feel "down" and a little depressed since it does not give enough androgen for maintaining feelings of well being, or sex drive for that matter. Most men really do feel crappy while on nandrolone alone.


You really should add proviron at 50 mg twice per day. This is a great androgen that will keep Mr. Happy up and going. It also binds strongly to plasma binding proteins and this allows more of the anabolic hormone, nandrolone, to exist in a free unbound state and this equals better gains.
Proviron is NOT 17aa so it is not hard on the liver.

You could also add 200 of test per week instead of the proviron for sex drive and a slight increase in gains

You REALLY NEED to do a loading dose with deca since it takes forever to kick in if you don't. Do 800 mg on day one followed by your regualr weekly dose five days latter.
DO NOT WORRY about the loading dose as blood hormone levels do not sky rocket with this practise. Time is still needed to de-esterfy the hormone. Also blood hormone levels do not go above what you would see without doing a loading dose.....it just gets hormone levels up to the muscle building range much more quickly.

RG

 

[ASALT]

I wanna stay away from test or dbol because of the added sides. So I think this is where I'm at right now.
deca
wk1- 800mg(frontload) + 200mg
wk2-wk10 - 400mg

wk1-10 - proviron
And 3 weeks after last shot, clomid for 4 weeks. I am interested to hear more about the clomid recommendation by NFG. I have always read 3 weeks post cycle, but never really understood why. Do you guys think I'll see good gains from the above or is it a waste of time and money? I wouldn't have a problem adding something else, except I'm prone to hairloss and don't wanna push it, at least not on my first cycle.Thanks for all the help guys!

 

[nolin]

My first cycle

My first cycle looks like this

Deca 400 week 1-8
Test Enanthate 500 week 1-6
Winny .25 ED week 7-11

Liqudex throughout, Vitex 2 grams ED

Results so far, end of week 8:

gained 26 lbs, 2 1/2 inches in chest
2 inches in arms 40 lbs in bench press

No sore nips, no limp dick

Also I have used Nizoral 2% shampoo and have had no hair loss

Good luck

 

[ASALT]

Re: My first cycle

My first cycle looks like this

Deca 400 week 1-8
Test Enanthate 500 week 1-6
Winny .25 ED week 7-11

Liqudex throughout, Vitex 2 grams ED

Results so far, end of week 8:

gained 26 lbs, 2 1/2 inches in chest
2 inches in arms 40 lbs in bench press

No sore nips, no limp dick

Also I have used Nizoral 2% shampoo and have had no hair loss

Good luck

Wow! Those are some awesome gains bro, I'm gonna get some vitex for the deca too. Thanks for the reply.