Please Critique 2nd cycle

[Ibiza 06]

STATS
Age=24
Height=5.6"
Weight=165 pounds
BF percent=15 ish
TRAINING AND CYCLE HISTORY
3.5 years solid weight training.
1st cycle=Primo,Winny and D-bol
GOALS
Lean/Bulk want to loose a few pounds of BF and gain maybe 7-10 pounds of muscle.

Proposed cycle
Weeks 1-10 test e=500 mg a week in 2 shots
Weeks 1-12 Proviron 50 mg aday
Weeks 1-6 T-Bol 60 mg aday
Weeks 7-12 winny 75 mgs aday
Weeks 1-12 Nolva 10 mg ( maybe leave out and use if need be)
Weeks 1-12 Arimedex .5 mg EOD

PCT start 14 days after last test shot and 24 hours after last winny and proviron dose

DAYS 1-37
Arimedex .5mg Ed
Nolva 20 mg Ed
Days 1-14
Clen 120mcg Ed ive decided to leave out clomid and HCG (long story) PM a few mods and vets on other sites and i should be ok.

TRAINING
5 days a week weights and cardio, except no cardio on leg days to FUCKED

DIET
High protein, Medium carbs (complex), Fat lowish.
Pretty good say 80% good 20% bad.

Not going into to much detail on diet and training.

SUPPLEMENTS
Milk thistle
Liv 52
Glucosamine
Taurine
VIT B12
Vit C
Vit and min sup
Whey pro
Caesin Pro

All critiques noted and much appreciated. THANKS

 

[deadliftinghorse]

your nolva should be used for POST therapy. you only need to use it during your cycly if you start to exibit gyno effects. and yes you want to keep the nolva. although when you do start taking it (for 2-3 weeks i presume) you should be able to keep the dosage low because you cylce looks fairly mild

 

[black sheep]

No need for Nolva with the AI during your cycle. Keep on hand just in case. I would throw in some tylers for your liver since you are 12 weeks on an oral. I would take the max amount of tylers.

Also - Why not run a solid Nolva/Clomid/HCG PCT? I would at least run Nolva and HCG.

 

[Ibiza 06]

No need for Nolva with the AI during your cycle. Keep on hand just in case. I would throw in some tylers for your liver since you are 12 weeks on an oral. I would take the max amount of tylers.

Also - Why not run a solid Nolva/Clomid/HCG PCT? I would at least run Nolva and HCG.[/QUOT

What are Tylers?
im using Milk thistle and lIv 52

Going on holidays during PCT so dont want to inject when away so no HCG and no clomid because i dont want to be big cry baby on me hols LOL

I should be ok with what im doing.

Thanks guys

Anyone else.

 

[black sheep]

No need for Nolva with the AI during your cycle. Keep on hand just in case. I would throw in some tylers for your liver since you are 12 weeks on an oral. I would take the max amount of tylers.

Also - Why not run a solid Nolva/Clomid/HCG PCT? I would at least run Nolva and HCG.[/QUOT

What are Tylers?
im using Milk thistle and lIv 52

Going on holidays during PCT so dont want to inject when away so no HCG and no clomid because i dont want to be big cry baby on me hols LOL

I should be ok with what im doing.

Thanks guys

Anyone else.

Now there is a good reason not to do a solid pct

 

[Ibiza 06]

Now there is a good reason not to do a solid pct

Yeah i know man, but as ive said ive had a lot of talks with Vets and Mods on another site, and they all advised what you have, but they also said for the cycle ill be running it is not essential, and that what i have planed should be good.

Thanks for the imput mate.

 

[black sheep]

Yeah i know man, but as ive said ive had a lot of talks with Vets and Mods on another site, and they all advised what you have, but they also said for the cycle ill be running it is not essential, and that what i have planed should be good.

Thanks for the imput mate.

Their your nuts!

 

[Bruce]

bro you cannot recover if you do not restore your testes to size, that is where your precious testosterone comes from. i highly suggest you use hcg or you will not have any holidays anymore. you don't want to lose use of your jewels

 

[Big_Joe]

I think it's better to keep the horse in the barn then to try and catch him latter. So I am doing 500 iu of hcg every other day. It is working great. I'm going to do do this for the rest of the cycle.

I'm a little unusual in that my testes weren't working so hot to begin with. I had chemo therapy and that will really shrink your balls. I started using AAS to recover my body after the chemo and now using HCG every other day my nutts are getting back to the size they were before chemo. So this therapy is working very well for me.

Here is some research to back this up:HCG research

Here is another link showing a similar study but done over a much longer time. What interested me with this study is the guys that took the hcg did it for six months at a very high dose. This shows that lydig desensitization did not occur even at high dosages over a long, six months, period of time.
high dose long time period

So after this research I would recommend that you do 500 iu hcg every other day for the length of your cycle. This will keep your boys strong and happy. And it will help during PCT because your testes will be at normal size the whole time.

 

[Ibiza 06]

cheers guys for the help with PCT, i think i might use clomid.
Anyone want to comment on the actual cycle.
What type of gains will i expect? How much bloat to expect?
Could i just use nolva on cycle with the proviron and keep arimedex for PCT.
Cheers again

 

[cubuff27]

Everyone has touched on the ancillaries..but if I were 24 and 165lbs I wouldn't vary too far from nice Test/Deca/Dbol cycle...you want to built some mass so I would drop the winny and concentrate on a tried and true bulk cycle.

 

[Ibiza 06]

cheers man but i dont want to blow up huge, just want some nice lean mass maybe 10lbs after PCT. and ive already got most of the gear. Thanks for the advice bro.
Any ideas on my above Questions mate.

 

[Ibiza 06]

Bump

 

[AhMadKooL]

bro you cannot recover if you do not restore your testes to size, that is where your precious testosterone comes from. i highly suggest you use hcg or you will not have any holidays anymore. you don't want to lose use of your jewels

What he said^^^. HCG is essential.

 

[Goldprospector]

I don't think you need Proviron with this cycle nor do I see the need to run 12 weeks of orals.

The PCT advice that you have recieved is solid...I don't care for Clomid and I think you'll do fine without it...but I would still use the HCG

 

[Ibiza 06]

What he said^^^. HCG is essential.

I dont think it is essential in this cycle bro. i think il be good with Arimedex and nolva.

 

[Ibiza 06]

I don't think you need Proviron with this cycle nor do I see the need to run 12 weeks of orals.

The PCT advice that you have recieved is solid...I don't care for Clomid and I think you'll do fine without it...but I would still use the HCG

Proviron helps the other steriods work better. thats why im using it bro.

 

[AhMadKooL]

I dont think it is essential in this cycle bro. i think il be good with Arimedex and nolva.

Bro, Arimedex and Nolva doesn't bring your "boys" back to normal size. Do what you want but I (and many others) would advise HCG.

 

[blut wump]

I'm currently 2 weeks out from my last injection of a cycle even milder than yours. I had some shrinkage during the cycle which taking maca seemed to take care of. I decided to run HCG regardless at the end and am remembering now how my 'nads really were three months ago.

The stuff is cheap and, provided you take your nolva with it and don't overdo the dose, has only upsides. There's no good reason to decide this far in advance not to run HCG.

 

[Ibiza 06]

Bro, Arimedex and Nolva doesn't bring your "boys" back to normal size. Do what you want but I (and many others) would advise HCG.

im pretty sure Nolva and arimedex can and do raise test levels and bring balls back to normal.

 

[AhMadKooL]

im pretty sure Nolva and arimedex can and do raise test levels and bring balls back to normal.

Bro raising Test levels and bringing your balls back to normal are 2 different things. Nolva and Arimedex DON'T return balls to normal. Sure you can go that route and not use HCG but it'll take much longer for your balls to go back to normal

 

[Ibiza 06]

Bro raising Test levels and bringing your balls back to normal are 2 different things. Nolva and Arimedex DON'T return balls to normal. Sure you can go that route and not use HCG but it'll take much longer for your balls to go back to normal

OK bro cheers for the info, much appreciated.

 

[AhMadKooL]

OK bro cheers for the info, much appreciated.

Anytime bro