Please contribute to my first cycle

[[HHH]the Game]

I have been researching for many months. I am 30 years old, 6 foot 2, 190 pounds and have been training hard for 2 years. I am looking to keep 15 to 20 pounds from my first cycle. I plan to run anti-e's throughout my cycle, have nolvadex on hand and clomid for post cycle. Plus various hair loss preventative agents.

I plan to do test 250mg every 5 days and EQ 300mg per week. I feel as this is my first cycle I will react well to these low dosages. I will run this cycle for 10 weeks. Or do you think this is too long? Should I run it only for 8 weeks? Perhaps the test for 8 and the EQ for 10?

I had also planned on taking some winny for weeks 7 to 12 to shred the mass I have put on but after much research have come to the conclusion that winny is too risky for hairloss. I only have a slightly receeding hairline but it really is one side effect I would like to minimize and felt that seeing I will be running test too I didn't want to push my luck. My question is what AS can I substitute for the winny to achieve the same muscle hardening and cutting effect?

With the correct sleep, training and diet is my goal of keeping 20 pounds post cycle realistic?

All opinions welcomed and appreciated.

 

[Dr.Evil]

all steroids can accelerate hairloss in susceptible individuals.

you don't really need a substitute for winny, but anavar would be a fine stack with eq.

if you're looking for a mild cycle, try this:

test: 300mg/wk, 10wks
eq: 200mg/wk, 10 wks
anavar or winny: 25-30mg/day, wks 4-13
clomid: 100-50-50, wks 14-16

 

[Maxx Out]

I have been researching for many months. I am 30 years old, 6 foot 2, 190 pounds and have been training hard for 2 years. I am looking to keep 15 to 20 pounds from my first cycle. I plan to run anti-e's throughout my cycle, have nolvadex on hand and clomid for post cycle. Plus various hair loss preventative agents.

I plan to do test 250mg every 5 days and EQ 300mg per week. I feel as this is my first cycle I will react well to these low dosages. I will run this cycle for 10 weeks. Or do you think this is too long? Should I run it only for 8 weeks? Perhaps the test for 8 and the EQ for 10?

I had also planned on taking some winny for weeks 7 to 12 to shred the mass I have put on but after much research have come to the conclusion that winny is too risky for hairloss. I only have a slightly receeding hairline but it really is one side effect I would like to minimize and felt that seeing I will be running test too I didn't want to push my luck. My question is what AS can I substitute for the winny to achieve the same muscle hardening and cutting effect?

With the correct sleep, training and diet is my goal of keeping 20 pounds post cycle realistic?

All opinions welcomed and appreciated.

What u have planned out looks very good. I 'd run it for 10 weeks without the winny. Try to keep your first cycle as simple as possible with not to many diff. aas.

Maxx >>>>>

 

[[HHH]the Game]

all steroids can accelerate hairloss in susceptible individuals.

you don't really need a substitute for winny, but anavar would be a fine stack with eq.

if you're looking for a mild cycle, try this:

test: 300mg/wk, 10wks
eq: 200mg/wk, 10 wks
anavar or winny: 25-30mg/day, wks 4-13
clomid: 100-50-50, wks 14-16

Isn't winny known to have a higher risk for hairloss?

I will do a search on anavar.

Isn't 9 weeks on winny/anavar too long?

 

[SofaGeorge]

You should do fine on this for a first cycle. I would run it at 10 weeks. I would recommend Liquidex over Nolvadex... and I personally would double the test minimum... but since I'm doing 2,000mg wk test now... I'm probably not the best person to advize you on test doseages.

 

[[HHH]the Game]

Re: Re: Please contribute to my first cycle

What u have planned out looks very good. I 'd run it for 10 weeks without the winny. Try to keep your first cycle as simple as possible with not to many diff. aas.

Maxx >>>>>

I figured I would throw in the winny as I am not looking just to get massive, I would like to put on some nice size and rip it up too.

Why exactly do you reccomend leaving out the winny?

 

[SofaGeorge]

With the correct sleep, training and diet is my goal of keeping 20 pounds post cycle realistic? [/B]

Easily. I gained a permanent 20 lbs from my first cycle.

 

[[HHH]the Game]

I'm doing 2,000mg wk test now

Holy Shit!!!

 

[SofaGeorge]

Re: Re: Re: Please contribute to my first cycle

I figured I would throw in the winny as I am not looking just to get massive, I would like to put on some nice size and rip it up too.

Why exactly do you reccomend leaving out the winny?

Don't try to bulk and cut up on your first cycle. Just get your protein up and pack on the muscle. You can cut down after you go off cycle.

 

[[HHH]the Game]

Re: Re: Please contribute to my first cycle

Easily. I gained a permanent 20 lbs from my first cycle.

Cool but was your first cycle similar to mine?

 

[[HHH]the Game]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Please contribute to my first cycle

Don't try to bulk and cut up on your first cycle. Just get your protein up and pack on the muscle. You can cut down after you go off cycle.

So do you think I should just stick with the test/EQ or throw something else in there? (not dianabol).

 

[Maxx Out]

Re: Re: Re: Please contribute to my first cycle

Why exactly do you reccomend leaving out the winny?

Because first cycles should be kept very simple w/out too many compounds. Try bulking first then follow it with a nice cutting cycle!

Maxx >>>>>

 

[[HHH]the Game]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Please contribute to my first cycle

Because first cycles should be kept very simple w/out too many compounds. Try bulking first then follow it with a nice cutting cycle!

Maxx >>>>>

Yes I am beginning to see this is the way. I just feel like I want to throw something else in there with the test/EQ!

 

[Hacker]

Bro, listen to Maxx Out. He's right on the money with his advise. You don't need any more than test,eq for your first cycle.

 

[Dr.Evil]

winny is stereotyped to be harder on the hair than anavar because people generally use larger doses of winny. winny is also much more popular and cheaper than anavar. they're both dht derivatives.

EQ will make you very hungry. not a good choice if you want to slim up.

steroids don't get you cut. diet and exercise...

 

[SofaGeorge]

Re: Re: Re: Please contribute to my first cycle

Cool but was your first cycle similar to mine?

My first cycle was:

week
1-4 200 mg week deca 20 mg ED Anavar
5-10 200 mg week deca 20 mg ED d-bol

This was definitely not anyones idea of a high dose cycle. If I had it to do over again, and what I recommend as a first cycle to friends

1-10 400mg week deca
1-10 500 mg week test
1-8 30mg ED d-bol

 

[SofaGeorge]

Bro, listen to Maxx Out. He's right on the money with his advise. You don't need any more than test,eq for your first cycle.

Ditto. Test and EQ will do anyone just fine for a first cycle.

 

[DEI]

Test and Eq. for 10 weeks are good for a first cycle.

Test is hard, regarding hair loss. But most of AAS are.

 

[[HHH]the Game]

When I say I wish to cut up I don't mean to say I wish to slim, I just want some nice definition. I have a low bodyfat already so I guess I needn't worry too much about it. I do really want to put on some size though. I think the advice to go the test/EQ only is sound and this is what I will do.

So my final question is are my dosages correct: 250mg test every 5 days and 300mg EQ per week?

Thanks for all the help guys.

 

[[HHH]the Game]

Test is hard, regarding hair loss. But most of AAS are.

hmm, posts like this make me want to take as little test as possible.

 

[Hacker]

Your doses are fine. Although I would go to 500mg on test.
Not to confuse you, so just leave it as is. lol

 

[SofaGeorge]

hmm, posts like this make me want to take as little test as possible.

Use a combination of Polysorbate 80 shampoos and Nizoral and you shouldn't have any problems.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Here is a link to a very good EF test article. It is a must read before a first test cycle...

http://www.2thick.elitefitness.com/members/profiles/compguide.html

 

[Maxx Out]

When I say I wish to cut up I don't mean to say I wish to slim, I just want some nice definition. I have a low bodyfat already so I guess I needn't worry too much about it. I do really want to put on some size though. I think the advice to go the test/EQ only is sound and this is what I will do.

So my final question is are my dosages correct: 250mg test every 5 days and 300mg EQ per week?

Thanks for all the help guys.

I'd do them both every 5 days this way it works out to 375mg test/week and 450mg eq/week.

Maxx >>>>>

 

[mvmaxx]

Here is a link to a very good EF test article. It is a must read before a first test cycle...

http://www.2thick.elitefitness.com/members/profiles/compguide.html

Interesting that the author promotes "tapering" while every vet on this board has seemingly dismissed this as old school.

 

[Maxx Out]

Interesting that the author promotes "tapering" while every vet on this board has seemingly dismissed this as old school.

I think tappering is usefull only if you are doing a cycle with out any kins of drugs to get your test up and running in the end of a cycle.


Maxx >>>>>

 

[SofaGeorge]

I think tappering is usefull only if you are doing a cycle with out any kins of drugs to get your test up and running in the end of a cycle.


Maxx >>>>>

I just sort of blew off the part about tapering. I've tapered off cycles and I've come off cold. I've never seen any difference between either.

Funny thing is when I used to keep track of cycles I would always notice a year or two later that my last shot on a cycle would be like 100 mg test/100mg deca. It wasn't tapering. It was called 'running out of juice.'

 

[Maxx Out]

I just sort of blew off the part about tapering. I've tapered off cycles and I've come off cold. I've never seen any difference between either.

Funny thing is when I used to keep track of cycles I would always notice a year or two later that my last shot on a cycle would be like 100 mg test/100mg deca. It wasn't tapering. It was called 'running out of juice.'

"Running out of juice", I know what u mean brother...lol.

I used to find that tappering worked well for me before the "clomid" era. Like I've said before it all depends on the person!


Maxx >>>>>

 

[whatsgood]

Would 500mg of test be ok for a first time user?

 

[shoestring]

I would just use the 250mg every 5 days (350mg/week) for 10-12 weeks if I was you. Get enough for 12 weeks cause you will like it so much that you prolly won't want to stop after 10. If you know what you are doing this is more than enough to put on 20lbs+ for a first cycle. If you need to use an anti -e for your first cycle it means you are using more gear than you need imo.. Keep it light and simple. Only diet and cardio are gonna make you look shredded after pct. If you have been natty and lifting for many years you will be very happy with this imo. Just keep nolva on hand and do a lighter pct.. Good luck..