Planning my first cutter help!

[jokerswild]

This will be my third cycle, first was:

1-3 25mg ed dbol
1-10 500mg sust
9-13 50mg ed winny
PCT nolva HCG

second (current cycle)

1-4 dbol 35mg ed
1-10 500mg sust
1-10 500mg deca
10-12 20mg dbol (letting ester clear to start PCT right away)
PCT nolva HCG

Here is what I have planned for next spring

1-10 500mg Test E
4-10 75-100mg Tren Ace EOD
6-12 50 mg winny ed
Clen?
PCT HCG and nolva

Keep in mind I started out natty 5 years ago at a whopping 135lbs After about 4 years I got to 165lbs natty,after my first cycle and PCT was done I weighed 180lbs. I am currently in my first week of my second and already up a few more. MY point is my first two cycles have basically been bulkers, with little or no cardio and a bulkers diet. I'm hoping to finish this cycle at about 195lbs. I was a runner in H.S. (cross country) so I know I can get the cardio in, and I will have to make myself diet. The cycle part is what I need help on any suggestions would be great....

 

[Apexx]

using those compounds, this is what I'd run:
1-10 test
1-6 tren
7-12 winny
7-12 clen (2 on, 2 off)

I chose the tren for the beginning because winny tends to cause a lot of joint pain. So by the time u cycle the winny, the test would be in full swing and hopefully the extra water would ease the joint pain.

 

[buffalo]

using those compounds, this is what I'd run:
1-10 test
1-6 tren
7-12 winny
7-12 clen (2 on, 2 off)

I chose the tren for the beginning because winny tends to cause a lot of joint pain. So by the time u cycle the winny, the test would be in full swing and hopefully the extra water would ease the joint pain.

That's a good point with the test helping the joint pain. Good plan.

 

[ruggermu]

using those compounds, this is what I'd run:
1-10 test
1-6 tren
7-12 winny
7-12 clen (2 on, 2 off)

I chose the tren for the beginning because winny tends to cause a lot of joint pain. So by the time u cycle the winny, the test would be in full swing and hopefully the extra water would ease the joint pain.

This is basically the cutter I've got put on hold. except running the fina
1-8weeks and adding prop for 1-4.

 

[Makavelli]

I would run the test for 12 weeks. Add EQ for 12 weeks. Run the tren the last 8 at 100 mgs/day. Run the winstrol the last 8 at 50 mgs/day. Use Proviron at 50 mgs/day the last 8 weeks and you'll be hard.

 

[jokerswild]

I would run the test for 12 weeks. Add EQ for 12 weeks. Run the tren the last 8 at 100 mgs/day. Run the winstrol the last 8 at 50 mgs/day. Use Proviron at 50 mgs/day the last 8 weeks and you'll be hard.

Damn I hate to sound like a puss but thats alot of gear! This is my first cutter do I really need all that? Also you say run the Tren at 100mg ed, I take it my 75 mg eod is a little low?

 

[Makavelli]

Damn I hate to sound like a puss but thats alot of gear! This is my first cutter do I really need all that? Also you say run the Tren at 100mg ed, I take it my 75 mg eod is a little low?

If you have 75 mgs per cc, then run 75 ed. It's not that much bro. Welcome to the real world of results...

 

[bigrand]

I dont think you need all that for a CUTTER. Diet and cardioa re most important, then throw in some gear to minimise muscle loss. I personally have seen GREAT results on just minimal cals and lots of cardio with only 50 mg oxymeth a day. I feel ive actually gotten bigger.

 

[Makavelli]

I dont think you need all that for a CUTTER. Diet and cardioa re most important, then throw in some gear to minimise muscle loss. I personally have seen GREAT results on just minimal cals and lots of cardio with only 50 mg oxymeth a day. I feel ive actually gotten bigger.

I don't what kind of experience you have, but I have lots of experience helping BB's attain extremely low BF with no muscle loss. It takes a certain amount of gear to retain your muscle while dieting. You need more AAS while dieting than you do while bulking. While dieting you are in a very catabolic state.

 

[bigrand]

From experience, i cut well on only one AAS, Deca being the best and currently anadrol. Ive actually gained muscle while loosing fat on drol. Patients with cacexia(sp) get deca at a low dose and do just fine with not wasting. I just personally feel that there is no reason to run a full fuckin cycle (several compounds) just to cut?
I mean really, all the shit he will run should be used to put on mass! Deca was MADE to prevent muscle wasting and does a damn good job by itself. Just up the cardio and lower the cals and carb cycle on weekends and you will see results without muscle loss and only using a compound.

Not saying you are wrong Mk, but i wont spend all that money on that much juice unless im bulking. To cut, all i need is a little something to make the body in an "anabolic" environment. Im AMAZED at how drol alone has cut my fat and actually put on some size!

 

[jokerswild]

One more question guys, if you had plenty of A-bombs how would you use them in this cycle???

 

[gymratforlife]

From experience, i cut well on only one AAS, Deca being the best and currently anadrol. Ive actually gained muscle while loosing fat on drol. Patients with cacexia(sp) get deca at a low dose and do just fine with not wasting. I just personally feel that there is no reason to run a full fuckin cycle (several compounds) just to cut?
I mean really, all the shit he will run should be used to put on mass! Deca was MADE to prevent muscle wasting and does a damn good job by itself. Just up the cardio and lower the cals and carb cycle on weekends and you will see results without muscle loss and only using a compound.

Not saying you are wrong Mk, but i wont spend all that money on that much juice unless im bulking. To cut, all i need is a little something to make the body in an "anabolic" environment. Im AMAZED at how drol alone has cut my fat and actually put on some size!

damn you now your going to make me break into my bottle of abombs that i had stashed for bulking to see how well they can help cut.I am sorta at a cruising/cutting period before I start a serious bulker and runing only 250mg/week of enanthate.Guess ill throw in 50mg of abombs daily in there.