Planning future cycle (in depth)

[exlax]

I'm gettin 4 grams total of each test prop, masteron, and NPP. I wanted to keep the cycle fairly short in length (aroud 8 weeks) and it was the best way I could divide up the doses, even though i'm a few days short of an 8 weeker.

I've been doing a hella reserch on HCG and now am a firm believer of it. I've found studies suggesting the doses I'm listing have brought test levels 26% over baseline after being suppressed. Anything higher and you can damage Leydwig cells, and that's not good. Anyways here's what I got planned

Cycle

weeks 1-7.5
Prop/mast/npp - 150/150/150mg EOD
Nolva - 10mg ED
Adex - .25 E3d

weeks 1-6.5
500ius HCG E4D

PCT
week 8-8.5
nolva/clomid 100mg/200mg

week 8.5-10
nolva/clomid 50mg/100mg

weeks 8-11
500ius HCG E3D

week 10-11
nolva/clomid 50mg/50mg

All through PCT
Tribulus - 3/4 grams per day
ZMA - 3-4 pills 30 minutes before bed time
Hella flax seed oil



Current Stats
height - 5'11 or 6'ish not sure
weight - 200lbs
bodyfat - a notch over 10%


Cycle History - From Oldest to Newest

Cycle One
8 weeks sust/deca 500/300mg pw

Cycle Two
8 weeks test eth 500mg pw

Cycle Three
5.5 weeks prop/tren 100/75mg EOD

Cycle Four
1-13 test prop 100mg EOD
1-8 tren 100mg EOD
9-13 winny 50mg ED

Goals
Gain 10-15lbs while maintaing or possible reducing some body fat. You guys think all the compounds would be necessary for my goals or could I get away with cuttin somethin out?

Diet
Starting out with approx 3000-3200 cals a day see how that goes. I eat 6-7 times a day and get in a casein shake with 40ish grams of protein along with some fat every night before bed. I keep sodium extremely low and a few weeks into dieting i'll have cut out most if not all simple sugars.

Protein - 350 grams
Sources egg whites/tuna/fish/chicken/lean red meat (on occasion)

Carbs - 150/300 grams rotated at 3/1 days
Sources - complex carbs (oatmeal, brown nice, etc.)

Fat 60-100 grams
Sources - peanut butter/olive oil, flax


Total Cals
High Carb Days
Protein 1400
Carbs 600
Fat 900
Total = 2900

Low Carb Days
Protein 1400
Carbs 1200
Fat 540
Total = 3140


Training
4 times a week

Back/Tris(sometimes)
One arm dumbell row 3 or 4x6-8
lat pull down 3x4-8
cable row 2x8
back extensions 2x8

Chest/Bis(sometimes)

Chest
incline db or BB press - db 3/4x4-8

flat DB press and/or decline press 4x4-8

Cable Flies and/or Pec Dec 3x6-8

Bis
If Bi's aren't sore from backwork (as they usually are)
Hammer curls 2x6-8
behind head cable curl on knees 2x6-10 (or TDS)


Legs/calves
Legs
Sqauts (on smith machine ) - 4x8
Leg press - 3x6
Leg extensions - 3x8
Leg curls - 3x8

Calves
calve raises 3/4x6-10
sometimes an additional calve workout

Shoulders/tri

Shoulders
seated dumbell press 4x4-8
reverse db flies 3x6-8
front raises 3x6-8

Tris
dips with weighted belt 3x6-8
one handed cable pull down - 3x8
dumbell kick backs - still playing with set/rep scheme.


This post is a combination of everything I've learned from research as well as experience. Given the latter part is very limited, I still think I put together, a very effective juice/diet/exercise plan.

My main goal is to move from the realm of just some fool that admittedly didn't know what he was doin in the past as far as diet/training/juice and to be considered a guy that actually knows WTF he is doing after this cycle or at least with the plan I have setup.

What do you guys think?

 

[exlax]

bump??

 

[chefbone]

To put on 10-15 pounds is possible but up the calories to make sure bro.
To keep 10-15 pounds.....that will be tough considering you have a few cycles under your belt and you're only geting 1.5g of protein per pound of weight.
Are you prone to Gyno? If not, take out the Nolva.
I don't see the need for the HCG at week 6. IMO, the cycle is not long enough. But, you are getting 1.5g a week of gear so......it may be necessary. I seriously doubt it though!!!!

 

[sweed]

ya cals seem to be a bit low, i was dieting and loosing weight eating about 3200 cals. read quickly, but seems like a well thought out plan.
btw -why squats on smith??
good luck to ya

 

[exlax]

I know it's the million dollar question, but what cals you guys think I should aim for? I've gained pretty well off this calorie range while on test/tren. I was getting leaner yet made size/strength gains.

 

[DieselGunz]

Now that is how you post a cycle!

 

[exlax]

I am prone to gyno and actually have a slight case of it (from puberty not from juice).

 

[exlax]

I am prone to gyno and actually have a slight case of it (from puberty not from juice).

Do you guys think all the compounds would be necessary for my goals or could I get away with cuttin somethin out like the NPP?

From what i've read, it seems there is a beneficial synergestic effect from the test/nortest. Yet i'm not sure if it would be absolutely required.

 

[Gman1]

DO NOT RUN HCG FOR 6week!!!, HCG works great at bringing natural test back, but HCG is not your natural test!, it will shut you down if your on it long enough, that and i dont think it last over 6 weeks once its mixed, you want to run it for like a total of 8weeks or more!(combine w/cycle and pct) thats way to long and honestly your not even doing a 8 week cycle, your natural test will just be starting to shut down once you get off, i would sugest using hcg at week 7and8, no more than that though, or youll be shuting off your natural test, its not AAS but it is a hormone that will take the place of your natural test, i think the cycle is to short, should go 10weeks, EQ instead of NNP if your worried about gyno, EQ has less a chance of developing it, 15lbs prob isnt going to happen, not with calories that low, i doubt 10lbs with calories that low honestly, im your height and weight basically and i take in round 5000cals min when im putting on size, be careful with the prop withgyno, if puberty gave it too you? why the hell are you using prop, prop is worse than puberty, but if you had to pick a test to you, prop is prob the best one, but i would be CAREFUL bout that if your prone, also no offense, but your post looks like something outa" FLEX magazine ", have little varity during your training sessions i hope thats not all you ever do, you should never have 2workouts the exact same in my opinion unless your a powerlifter or something, shock your body always keeping it guessing...

 

[JIMguy]

Well, I dont really see the need for the masteron. It's mainly used by competetive bbers for contest prep, so it really has no place at all in your cycle. If u jus wanna do the npp and prop for 8 weeks I'm sure that will work fine for your purposes. In my opinion your training is pretty much off. I'll only elaborate on what I think a little bit. I really dont see what you would be attempting to accomplish with one arm kickbacks, one arm cable pull downs, cable flys, cable rows, pec deck and all that bs. Keep it simple. For chest, incline bb. Shoulders- standing or seated military press. Most importantly, you're not deadlifting, rowing, or squating at all (the smith ones you have set up dont count). I dunno if you're trying to cut or what, but these types of exercises are not the way to go. Lift heavy with big compound lifts, nothing too complicated like tht behind the neck cable 6 arm curl or watever u have setup. The more I think about you're training program the more i dislike it actually. I'm not meaning to flame or anything, its just the run of the mill garbage that you probably read in flex magazine, right? Regardless, you're diet is ok jus up cals as everyone else said. good luck......

 

[JIMguy]

prone, also no offense, but your post looks like something outa" FLEX magazine QUOTE]

you beat me to it

 

[Gman1]

hehe of course i did

 

[exlax]

DO NOT RUN HCG FOR 6week!!!, HCG works great at bringing natural test back, but HCG is not your natural test!, it will shut you down if your on it long enough, that and i dont think it last over 6 weeks once its mixed, you want to run it for like a total of 8weeks or more!(combine w/cycle and pct) thats way to long and honestly your not even doing a 8 week cycle, your natural test will just be starting to shut down once you get off, i would sugest using hcg at week 7and8, no more than that though, or youll be shuting off your natural test, its not AAS but it is a hormone that will take the place of your natural test, i think the cycle is to short, should go 10weeks, EQ instead of NNP if your worried about gyno, EQ has less a chance of developing it, 15lbs prob isnt going to happen, not with calories that low, i doubt 10lbs with calories that low honestly, im your height and weight basically and i take in round 5000cals min when im putting on size, be careful with the prop withgyno, if puberty gave it too you? why the hell are you using prop, prop is worse than puberty, but if you had to pick a test to you, prop is prob the best one, but i would be CAREFUL bout that if your prone, also no offense, but your post looks like something outa" FLEX magazine ", have little varity during your training sessions i hope thats not all you ever do, you should never have 2workouts the exact same in my opinion unless your a powerlifter or something, shock your body always keeping it guessing...

I rather stick to short acting esters. I guess my cals are kinda low so i'll go for 4000 and see what happens.I gain fat very easily that's why i' worrie bout goin high on the cals.

 

[Gman1]

1 you should run eq instead of masteron(add some winny beginning to kick it off)
2 you should run masteron instead of prop,(to avoid gyno)
3 dont run the HCG that long, 2weeks after week 7 is all you need, more than that and you might as well stay on cycle longer...
4 with long esters your gains will be much easier tomaintain after cycle trust me...
5 stay away from prop if your that worried bout gyno... if not than its good stuff..
6 next time read "muscular development" they actually have some good stuff in that mag...jk...luck man...

 

[exlax]

What's so bad about masteron? Any advantages to equipoise oer masteron? I want to stick to quick acting esters. I might consider boldenone proprianate if I can find and can get some reasoning behind why it would be better than masteron...

 

[Outtlaw]

Man, I have no idea what you're trying to do with that cycle... but it looks like shit. You dont need to run hcg like that, its unnecesary. The way you have everything set up, you're only gonna make it more difficult for yourself trying to gain that 15lbs.

My advice to you is to stop trying to re-invent the wheel when it comes to your cycles. Prop/masteron/npp??? You might as well throw in some Z-ball while you're at it.

 

[exlax]

Adjustments

For training
This is just a very rough guideline. I'm always changing set/rep schemes as well as diff exercises. I like to stick to at least one of the same exercise set/rep so I can guage how much my strength is going up.

For diet
Again, I'm weary of eatin too much of an excess b/c I gain fat very easily and I"m trying to stay at around the same bodyfat. I'll start with 4K per your reccomendation and see how that goes.

For gear
I think I might switch masteron to bold prop though. I'm not sure though as you guys haven't given me any concrete reasons as why boldenone would be a better choice?

As far as HCG
I'm running HCG b/c my test levels are still a little low even though iv'e been off cycle for a few months now. I've read studies (I can post them if you guys want) that show low doses, unless at an extended time, wouldnt cause leydig cell desensitization as long as its just takeing hte place of LH and not exceeding. Extended time= tme it would take to exceed natty LH secretion creating overload. Essentially, time isnt the most important factor here, its the doseage.