Planning 2nd Cycle

[steeledan]

My first cycle was 100mg test/75mg fina/50mg winny/0.5mg arimidex per day. I had great results, and the only sides I had were high cholesterol and acne from clomid. My 2nd cycle will probably look something like this - replacing winny with nandrolone and tapering off instead of clomid.

- Main Cycle
100mg ED Testosterone No Ester 1-12
75mg ED Trenbolone Acetate 1-12
200mg E3D Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 1-11

- Main and Post Cycle 1-19
2.5mg EOD Letrozole
2.5mg ED Bromocriptine
1000mg ED ALA
1500mg ED NAC
1000mg ED Inositol Hexanicotinate (Niacin)
1500mg ED Vitex
2-3x850mg ED Metformin
50-100mg ED Captopril
1000mcg EOD B12/B Complex
400mg EOD L-Carnitine

- Post Cycle
50mg EW Testosterone Cypionate 13-14
33mg EW Testosterone Cypionate 15-17
DNP, Clen/ECA, Yohimbine, T3 13-19 (Not all at the same time)

Any opinions?

 

[badazzwhitedude]

Cycle looks pretty good there. You may not have too much effects out of the Nandrolone itself but it should help the joints at least. Also, do you usually bridge with small amounts of Test? Because it doesn't take much to shut your HPTA down.

 

[genarr3]

"acne from clomid" - You're blaming Clomid for normal post cycle sides. Clomid gets the blame for what is really being caused by homone fluctuation. This is the same reason most get acne in thier teens - hormone fluctuation.

I don't see anything to speed up natural test production recovery. Your natural test production will not restart till ALL of the synthetic test is gone. I will confess I have no idea how well Letrozole works for this purpose, I do know it's not normally used.

"- Post Cycle
50mg EW Testosterone Cypionate 13-14
33mg EW Testosterone Cypionate 15-17" - Four weeks of below normal test with no natural test being produced. This looks very catabolic to me.

And considering you're using Nandrolone, you will be shut down hard.

If you're that turned off by Clomid Nolvadex can be used.

 

[steeledan]

Thanks for the input. I don't know if clomid really caused acne, but my back/shoulders/chest broke out the day after I started clomid. After my last cycle, total test was up to 920ng/dl 3 weeks after clomid (6weeks after cycle). But the last cycle was only 6 weeks long.

The main reason I want to bridge w/ test is because 12 weeks of nandrolone and trenbolone will do a good job of shutting down the htpa, and I'd rather have slightly below normal test levels for a few weeks than a few weeks of no test at all. I do have more than enough clomid on hand just incase it doesn't return to normal. Natural test levels should rise up if testosterone and estrogen levels are both below normal, no? Having little estrogen should have a similar affect as blocking the receptors. If arimidex/femara raise natural test levels 50% above normal, they would do a good job of raising low test levels, right?

Badazzwhitedude, 200mg nandrolone phenylpropionate e3d is about the same as 490mg/week of deca. I'm just using the shorter ester incase there are any gyno symptoms.

 

[serge]

My first cycle was 100mg test/75mg fina/50mg winny/0.5mg arimidex per day. I had great results, and the only sides I had were high cholesterol and acne from clomid. My 2nd cycle will probably look something like this - replacing winny with nandrolone and tapering off instead of clomid.

- Main Cycle
100mg ED Testosterone No Ester 1-12
75mg ED Trenbolone Acetate 1-12
200mg E3D Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 1-11

- Main and Post Cycle 1-19
2.5mg EOD Letrozole
2.5mg ED Bromocriptine
1000mg ED ALA
1500mg ED NAC
1000mg ED Inositol Hexanicotinate (Niacin)
1500mg ED Vitex
2-3x850mg ED Metformin
50-100mg ED Captopril
1000mcg EOD B12/B Complex
400mg EOD L-Carnitine

- Post Cycle
50mg EW Testosterone Cypionate 13-14
33mg EW Testosterone Cypionate 15-17
DNP, Clen/ECA, Yohimbine, T3 13-19 (Not all at the same time)

Any opinions?

you need clomid to kick start you test production

metformin and ala??? both are glucose disposal agents, pick one or the other, using both is redundant

cyp 50mg/week is worthless, if you want a bridge use either dboll one dose in the morning, or primo, or anavar

i dont like tren and deca combo, dump deca out and replace with none-progestin drug, dboll would be a good choice; perhaps 25mg/ed

everything else looks good

 

[badazzwhitedude]

Badazzwhitedude, 200mg nandrolone phenylpropionate e3d is about the same as 490mg/week of deca. I'm just using the shorter ester incase there are any gyno symptoms.

Sorry bro'. I somehow read it as 200mg/week.

My last cycle was Test/Fina. As most already know, Fina also shits you down hard. Post-cycle, I just loaded up on the Clomid while still continuing to take .25mg/day of Arimidex to suppress estrogen. Although I didn't have blood work done, my "boys" came back. I knew this due to the size increase after the cycle compared to during the cycle, and also my sex drive was higher at this time than it was during the cycle. All this while I bridged with 10mg of D-bol in the morning and I didn't lose a pound post-cycle. Just a personal experience I thought I'd share with you.

 

[steeledan]

I just read fonz's dbol bridge post. Instead of cyp, it would be 10mg dbol first thing in the morning weeks 13-20? And start clomid week 14 - 300 first day, 100 next 10 days, 50 next 10 days?

 

[steeledan]

BUMP. Anyone else?

I think I'll also use clen and ketotifen instead of rotating clen/eca.