Plan to start cycle today..need advice

[the small soldier]

I just finished my comp. I took 3rd in deadlift, happy about that! BUT NOW IT'S time for a cycle. I'm looking to cut BF and increase strength and muscle over the nex 6 weeks before my next contest. I plan to use minimal drugs because there is a high chance I will be tested. So my options are: run anavar at 45mg a day for 4 weeks and run with liver support AI on hand, 50mg clomid a day for 4 weeks (but considering NO PCT, many people I know did nothing or ran something like P6 and had very little shutdown and NO problem maintaining gains. OR I could run DBOL at 15mg a day with fadogia everyday and .25mg Adex EOD for 4-6 weeks with clomid at 100-50-25-25 run fagodia with clomid. I would like to start today, just trying to decide wheter or not I want to run the anavar or the Dbol and which will give me the best option for cutting BF while mainitaining or increasing strength.

I'll be eating 4000-4500 calories day. Moring fasted cardio, 4-5 INTESNE weight training sessions a day and carb backloading diet, which has worked for me in the past very well.

I welcome any and all input that you. I am leaning towards 6 weeks of DBOL, I have SO much more DBOL and am thinking of saving the anavar for a stack I'll be using starting in September.

I KNOW everyone will say clomid is crap blah blah blah, BUT it worked for me last time, TONS of (big/strong) dudes still use it, hell even NEEDTO claims to use it when needed) NOLVA made me feel sick so i'll stay away from that, and I just don't fully trust these OTC products to run as a standalone pct.

 

[the small soldier]

any input anyone??

 

[25homes]

id go with snake for strength but id up the dose

 

[blue_steel74]

I just finished my comp. I took 3rd in deadlift, happy about that! BUT NOW IT'S time for a cycle. I'm looking to cut BF and increase strength and muscle over the nex 6 weeks before my next contest. I plan to use minimal drugs because there is a high chance I will be tested. So my options are: run anavar at 45mg a day for 4 weeks and run with liver support AI on hand, 50mg clomid a day for 4 weeks (but considering NO PCT, many people I know did nothing or ran something like P6 and had very little shutdown and NO problem maintaining gains. OR I could run DBOL at 15mg a day with fadogia everyday and .25mg Adex EOD for 4-6 weeks with clomid at 100-50-25-25 run fagodia with clomid. I would like to start today, just trying to decide wheter or not I want to run the anavar or the Dbol and which will give me the best option for cutting BF while mainitaining or increasing strength.

I'll be eating 4000-4500 calories day. Moring fasted cardio, 4-5 INTESNE weight training sessions a day and carb backloading diet, which has worked for me in the past very well.

I welcome any and all input that you. I am leaning towards 6 weeks of DBOL, I have SO much more DBOL and am thinking of saving the anavar for a stack I'll be using starting in September.

I KNOW everyone will say clomid is crap blah blah blah, BUT it worked for me last time, TONS of (big/strong) dudes still use it, hell even NEEDTO claims to use it when needed) NOLVA made me feel sick so i'll stay away from that, and I just don't fully trust these OTC products to run as a standalone pct.

I wouldnt run dbol if youre trying to cut. The water retention will discourage you

 

[the small soldier]

I wouldnt run dbol if youre trying to cut. The water retention will discourage you

I'm not concerned about weight or water, only burning fat. What i look like is of minor importance for this cycle...

 

[the small soldier]

id go with snake for strength but id up the dose

What would you up it to?

I'm running dbol 15 mg/day first dose was TODAY and I'll be running for 6 weeks. Adex on hand for sides, running liver support. clean diet mostly organic. Carb backloading about 400 grams of carbs and eating 300-350 grams of protein a day along with tons of veggies and abot 1-1.5 gallons of water a da. clomid 50mg x4 weeks for PCT

 

[stopstalking]

If your tuning dbol run some test with it. Atleast a trt dose

 

[the small soldier]

If your tuning dbol run some test with it. Atleast a trt dose

going to be tested so that's not an option really Just doing it to boost strength and recovery for the next couple weeks between contests. I have done a DBOL test combo in the past with great results, trying this for now and seeing how it goes.

 

[kc17]

going to be tested so that's not an option really Just doing it to boost strength and recovery for the next couple weeks between contests. I have done a DBOL test combo in the past with great results, trying this for now and seeing how it goes.

Test prop and Var will be my choice. Dbol will bloat u up.

 

[moya]

i would run a base of anavar and use the dbol as a preworkout... see if u can get some test suspension...

 

[RADAR]

i would run a base of anavar and use the dbol as a preworkout... see if u can get some test suspension...

as moya stated sus is a painful shot but As was noted before, testosterone can be considered one of the most powerful mass builders and testosterone suspension can be considered one of the most powerful of the testosterones simply due to the fact that it has no attached ester. This means that you are getting 100mgs of Test per 100mgs you inject; Suspension is the only version of Testosterone that can boast that claim. A growing reason why many athletes are choosing to use testosterone suspension instead of enanthate or other forms (besides the fact that it has a higher amount of pure testosterone resulting in greater results) is that it may be responsible for localized growth at the site inject like winstrol. Most athletes will also only use this form of testosterone in a bulking cycle as it is usually accompanied by high water retention, severe bloat, adipose storage, and gynomastia. This product also has a high level of aromitization into estrogen and coverts to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) as well.

 

[the small soldier]

as moya stated sus is a painful shot but As was noted before, testosterone can be considered one of the most powerful mass builders and testosterone suspension can be considered one of the most powerful of the testosterones simply due to the fact that it has no attached ester. This means that you are getting 100mgs of Test per 100mgs you inject; Suspension is the only version of Testosterone that can boast that claim. A growing reason why many athletes are choosing to use testosterone suspension instead of enanthate or other forms (besides the fact that it has a higher amount of pure testosterone resulting in greater results) is that it may be responsible for localized growth at the site inject like winstrol. Most athletes will also only use this form of testosterone in a bulking cycle as it is usually accompanied by high water retention, severe bloat, adipose storage, and gynomastia. This product also has a high level of aromitization into estrogen and coverts to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) as well.

I would love to run a test base, but I dont have susp. SO what do you think about anavar base with a Dbol preworkout as moya said? It's interesting to say the least, I do a liver support, but it's still a concern, maybe 4 weeks of anavar with 10mg dbol preworkout??? I'm willing to adjust fire and be flexible I'm about to take my morning dose of Dbol and hit the gym now.

 

[the small soldier]

update.. I'll be doing more cycles likes this. I'll also be doing updates so this is going to be my first workout of the day

Week 1 Day 2: taking some dbol now. I have my ancillaries on hand and just ordered some HCGEN. I'll be doing an experiment and attempting to run minimal clomid I'll be getting blood work done at the end of cycle and I'll see how long it takes to return to baseline. After a few weeks I'll be running another DBOL only and using HCGEN and i'll do the same PCT and see how long it takes to recover. I'll update on how my workout goes in a few hours

 

[the small soldier]

Just got home from my workout. For anyone who doesnt know I'm on 15mg of dbol a day only. this is day 2. Already I'm feeling the effects, my strength is the same, but my stamina is unbelievable. I went hard in the gym for nearly 2 hours. 15 singles of deadlift for speed at 315, lat pull downs 200 pounds for 12, 220 for 10, and 240 for 8. low cable rows 220 for 12, 240 for 10, 260 for 8, one arm rows 135 pounds each arm for 2 sets of 12, pull ups 5 sets til failure ( did at least 10 reps each set). Good mornings, 135 for 20, 185 for 12, 245 for 5. hyper extensions 3 sets of 20 with a 25 pound plate and one set of bodyweight stopping 1 rep before failure. standing cable crunch. 100 for 20, 150 for 12, 180 for 10.

Libido is very good I had sex with my girl last night for about 45 minutes and again this morning for about 15 mintues before she left for work. I'm feeling the ball "tingles" and they shrunk maybe 2 mm or less, very slight, but I notice it.

SO FAR no estro sides but I have a dex on hand. I'll be posting pictures a little later.

 

[thelocal]

test suspension!

 

[the small soldier]

test suspension!

I wish but I don't know where to find it

 

[the small soldier]

I can see why oral only esp DBOL only is not recommended. I feel AWESOME for about 5 hours after I take it. Then today I feel REALLY DOWN, nearly suicidal for a few minutes before I was able to control myself. THEN i tried to sleep but horrible anxiety. calmed myself for a few hours and slept from 2-5 an am awake again. feeling "moody" taking 0.25 adex now to see how I feel. Hopefully Adex will calm this effect. continue for one more day with ADEX and see how I feel. IF the adex does not help I will try with adex AND HCGEN. IF that combo doesn't work I will abondon cycle and run PCT and get bloods done in a few weeks.