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big_bad_buff

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i think the shit is going to hit the fan this year or next. i see things heating up between the us, korea, china, iraq, and russia.

i can see us attacking iraq, and once this happens russia/korea, and maybe china will step up.
 
i see israel not getting involved unless biochem warfare is used against it

potentially iraqi 'sleeper' agents used in terrorism in the west as a response to the invasion

america only moving in on korea with chinese help/support whether it be diplomatic or otherwise


i can;t see anyone directly declaring war, perhaps only kicking US personell off its territory. but i do see terrorist attacks stepping up a gear if military action takes place
 
One thing is for sure, the Korean peninsula is going to be one bloody mess at some point in the future. I also think China's a sleeping giant as they're obviously arming themslves to the teeth.
 
I see my friend getting called to duty and being a sitting duck in the middle of the desert commanding a tank while it gets blasted to smithereens by some fuck with a roscketlauncher.

I see no point in this day and age for any sort of ground force but that's my opinion. Just link me up remotely to some stealth planes on my PC and let me at em'.
 
big_bad_buff said:
no one can see russia getting involed down the road after attacking iraq?

Absolutely, however, I think they're going to wait until we're so spread thin conventionaly that we'd no longer pose any sort of threat to them. It seems like that is beginning to take shape right now in fact. I mean if N. Korea goes off while we're in the midst of a bee's nest in the Gulf, we'd pretty much be spent right there, conventionally anyway. Then we'd only have nukes left in my estimation. I mean we actually ran out of Tomahawk cruise missles during the Gulf war, now that's scarey. I'll tell you what though, I'd rather go in a millisecond blast then in my bed from some bioweapon like smallpox anyday.
 
40butpumpin said:


Absolutely, however, I think they're going to wait until we're so spread thin conventionaly that we'd no longer pose any sort of threat to them. It seems like that is beginning to take shape right now in fact. I mean if N. Korea goes off while we're in the midst of a bee's nest in the Gulf, we'd pretty much be spent right there, conventionally anyway. Then we'd only have nukes left in my estimation. I mean we actually ran out of Tomahawk cruise missles during the Gulf war, now that's scarey. I'll tell you what though, I'd rather go in a millisecond blast then in my bed from some bioweapon like smallpox anyday.

Russia and Iraq are not strong enough allies. Shit France is a bigger ally with Iraq than Russia is.
 
i see george waiting till it's election time.. then going full out assault on iraq.. he is a greedy fuck, personal gain is all he cares about...

america needs to step back and observe a little more.... choose your battles wisely!!!
 
Code said:


Russia and Iraq are not strong enough allies. Shit France is a bigger ally with Iraq than Russia is.

I don't think Russia cares at all about Iraq, however, they do care about the US ultimately being defeated IMHO.
 
Too bad we wasted so many bombs in the Balkans hitting all those Fake targets that were setup...Not one of those countries will stand a chance if they attempt to stand up against us

Iraq what a joke. We defeated him when he was at Full strength in 48hrs...He's not anywhere close to that strength now, so what do you think? 24? 36? what a joke

China, they couldn't sustain a fight for too long, due to lack of resources to support their troops

Korea wouldn't last to long for similiar reasons.
Russia doesn't care enough to do anything other then badmouth the situation
 
I can't see russia getting involved. We can take Iraq and N.Korea ourselves. Our european would destroy Russia if they tried anytthing.
 
This spring....

big_bad_buff said:
i think the shit is going to hit the fan this year or next. i see things heating up between the us, korea, china, iraq, and russia.

I can see us attacking iraq, and once this happens russia/korea, and maybe china will step up.
We are definitely going into Iraq. A National Guardsman told me his unit is called up to go to Afghanistan at the beginning of March to relieve troops there who will go "elsewhere."

If we go into Iraq, there's the issue of "sleeper cells" in the USA who might activate and carry out a mass wave of domestic terrorism. They can very likely have chemical, biological, and a few nuclear weapons. The question is what do they have and how many will act?

If the USA gets bogged down in Iraq or we have real bad domestic problems as a result. Two major issues can develop....

1. China wants to take Taiwan by force. They've not invaded only because we've intervened. If they invade and we get involved, they can follow through on their threats to launch nukes against us. Intelligence sources say China is indeed capable and willing to go through with this threat. There is no way to be sure IF they will do it or if they do, how many nukes successfully reach their targets. Of course, you can figure what the US response would be to such an act.

2. India and Pakistan have been trying to nuke each other to kingdom come for the last 10 years or so. Last time they came back from the brink, it was the intervention of the USA. If China does stuff to us or things heat up and we're busy elsewhere, they might just nuke each other.

3. I'm not sure what to expect of N. Korea right now. They might ally with China or start attacking since they figure we're coming against them after Iraq.

Oh, the Bible tells of four angels bound in the Euphrates river that will kill 1/3 of men when released. The Euphrates river is most entirely in Muslim territory (specifically, Iraq). We likely are on the brink of the most deavestating global-scale war humanity's every seen.
 
OXANDRIN said:
russia has oil contracts with iraq

No, they don't.
Russia is involved with a deal concerning the UN and Iraq known as Oil for Food. So is France.
 
TxArmyGuy said:


China, they couldn't sustain a fight for too long, due to lack of resources to support their troops


China has ICBM. resources ? They dont need that. There's over a billion of chinese so there will always be one on your butt. The same was said during the Korean war. Chinese weren't suppose to be a challenge. Guess what ? They stepped up and kicked the poor MacArthur's ass.....
 
Code said:


No, they don't.
Russia is involved with a deal concerning the UN and Iraq known as Oil for Food. So is France.

russia can reimerge as a power and here are my reasons:

1. their economy has great potential for growth
2. they have the 2nd largest reserve of oil in the world under them
3. their military while slowly wasting away is still the 2nd largest in the world
 
Code said:


No, they don't.
Russia is involved with a deal concerning the UN and Iraq known as Oil for Food. So is France.

Last time i read about it , Russia and France had the drilling rights in Iraq
 
OXANDRIN said:


russia can reimerge as a power and here are my reasons:


3. their military while slowly wasting away is still the 2nd largest in the world

Do you have a source for that? Because as it stands now (according to MSNBC) the top two (in terms of numbers) are the US and China.
 
Code said:


Do you have a source for that? Because as it stands now (according to MSNBC) the top two (in terms of numbers) are the US and China.


china has some nice nukes, a few migs, but what about...
russian tanks?
russian submarines?
russian fighter jets? (btw they were better than the US jets during the cold war, only the f22 is going to be better than the su-37)
russian satelittes?
russian missiles?

dude russia had more arms than the US did at one point...
 
um....those are the countries that broke apart from russia...

"Despite communism’s policies, almost 60 percent of Russians are Christian"
 
Basically, youre attacking Iraq because they MIGHT have weapons of mass destruction and they MIGHT use them in the future. apparently thats reason to invade a country.

well hello.

the usa HAS weapons of mass destruction and HAS used them several times

(nagasaki, hiroshima, remember that time the afghans fled by the millions to pakistan and you guys were attentive enough to drop a daisy cutter on their ass on their way out, FLEEING?)

remember in Chile when they had democratic elections and somebody won who wouldn`t toss over all their natural resources to the usa for nothing and help the starving people instead?
I`m talking Nixons time here.
Kissinger had it all figured out.
the CIA infiltrated state instances bribing chile people.
the highest man in the army was faithful to the people of chile and would not let himself be bribed. on the way to a meeting the road was blocked, he had to take a detour over a smaller road, he was stopped and liquidated. the new leader was bribed and fought a military coup overthrowing the democratic leader that did not suit the usa.
then of all hypocrisy, they act like pinochet is so evil and so nasty, while its the usas MAN!!!!!!!

the same thing happened in many countries.
libya, Zaire, argentina, saudi arabia.

its modern day colonialism. at least as violent as the old kind, with a solid dose of hypocrisy to it.

Iraq is next I suppose.

The EU is no better and plays it all together with the USA.
 
My guess - Iraq invasion takes place in February. Russia will step aside (as long as the cash Iraq owes them gets paid one way or the other, they'd be perfectly content to see Iraq go.) China has no interest one way or the other, and once it happens and the Security Council is no longer an issue, no one will give a crap what France thinks. Special forces that are probably already in-country (Delta Force/SAS/Australian SAS, possibly JTF2) prevent major sabotage of oil fields. Iraq falls inside a week, with large parts of the army remaining in barracks. Saddam might lob a few Scuds at Israel, but they don't get involved. Occupation government still an issue...not sure how that's going to play out.

Mullocracy in Iran falls by mid-summer (they're having to import thugs to maintain control now.) The mainstream press in this country is really missing out on this story.

Saudi government destabilizes - with oil flowing from Iraq and Iran, we don't need the House of Saud any more and make that clear. Not sure how this plays out - I'm not sure the administration has thought this part through very well.

Korea - my guess would be that we take out the plutonium-manufacturing reactor almost immediately after it starts up. China may make noise in public to keep up apperances, but through diplomatic back channels approves. We continue the isolation policy and let Japan take the diplomatic lead. The anti-Americanism in South Korea is really starting to get out of hand - if the NK missile programme didn't eventually threaten us, I'd say let Seoul deal with it themselves.

What concerns me is that we're paying no attention at all to South America right now...while the problems there right now are economic, not military, our neglect could lead to problems down the road.
 
Prediction?

Many less hook-nosed bastards without the capability of producing MORE hook-nosed bastards whose sole intention is strapping bombs to their worthless asses and blowing the shit outta anyone who isn't a hook-nosed bastard!!!
 
Nasty Black Bitch said:
Prediction?

Many less hook-nosed bastards without the capability of producing MORE hook-nosed bastards whose sole intention is strapping bombs to their worthless asses and blowing the shit outta anyone who isn't a hook-nosed bastard!!!

Simple, but probably pretty true.
 
SofaGeorge said:
It smells like World War III.

I agree. Even if it doesn't come within the next year, what's taking shape right now IMO will ultimately lead to a nuke free-for-all and WWIII. I have to tell you I'm more afraid of the chaos that would take place if there's a major bio-attack then an ICBM attack. I know, that sounds sick but I have my reasons.

I'll make one prediction that I'm very certain of, however, what will eventually send us into a nuke-tossing contest is the exhausting of conventional weapons, which will come quicker than most people can imagine. There's a very finite supply and once we run out we'll have no choice.
 
I looked into my crystal ball and this is what I see, I give the following 2 years to unfold.

1. US war against Iraq commences in Feb. 2003.
2. Despite early successes, the US gets bogged down and immense loss of US lives begins.
3. The WHOLE mideast region, destablized by US action, erupts into conflict -
a. The Kurds rise up and Saddam (still in power) gasses them.
b. Syria uses their Lebanese proxy and invades the Golan Heights and Northern Isreal
c. Isreal retaliates with some nasty weapon bio/chemical of their own (but not nuclear)
d. Egypt topples from internal islamist fundementalism, makes the taliban look like grade school
e. In Iran, the moderate faction (now slowly gaining power), is heavily oppressed with executions and detentions. The mullahs stay in power.
f. The Saudi royal family cannot be saved by their connections with the US power elite (Carlyle Group, Kissinger, bush) and abdicate. Wahabi-ism is put into real practice and a TRUE conflict between races/religion begins.
g. Several european countries begin to expell their muslim minorities.
4. The resulting chaos in the middle east slows the flow of oil to the US, Japan and europe.
5. The mess in venesuala(sp) continues and Bush deems it in "American Security Interests" to send troops to there to insure a flow of oil to the US.
6. The EU turns to Russia for energy, leaving the US to dangle alone with the mideast war. Also resulting in a more unified and cohesive european foriegn policy, looking after their best interests. America accuses europe of cowardice, reminds them of WWII but the europeans are so "over" that tired reason.
7. North Korea gives up (again) nuclear ambitions, but only through the diligent intervention of South Korea.
8. The biggest surprise is since the US is so occupied in the middle east and south america, China decides to take this opportunity to demand Taiwan. The Taiwanese are not happy about this and in their defense (as china is invading them) the Taiwanese lob a nuke at the Chinese, who retaliate in kind.

I can't see past this except to say that with in 40 years the US will be a second class power. The standard of living of the average american is reduced to a standard enjoyed by eat europeans under communist rule (not pleasant, but no one starved and every one had a roof over their head)

Historians will look back and shake their heads and wonder how the Americans were able to be led to catastrophy by George Bush Jr and his secrete cabal of oilists.
 
an additional note to 3f, above -
The pressures of Political Correctness do not allow Americans to acknowledge the truth in this, that it IS, indeed, a war of Christianity against Islam (been brewing for 80 years now, ever since the Ottoman Empire collapsed) and a war of the white race against the darker races. Because the inherent truth is denied, the christian/white side is doomed to failure.
 
russia will never step up, bottom line is they are broke and without western help they would starve, in the end its not in anyone interest to go to war with the US and so they won't unless attacked, by the way taiwan is not a nuclear power
 
Great point....

40butpumpin said:
....what will eventually send us into a nuke-tossing contest is the exhausting of conventional weapons, which will come quicker than most people can imagine. There's a very finite supply and once we run out we'll have no choice.
I'd almost think the opposite....that we'd use nukes but have to go conventional since if you don't get it with nukes, more nukes won't do squat for you.
 
Hengst...

I think your predection sounds pretty on target.

What I am wondering is how any of us can expect the rest of the world (especially Europe) to side with us if the shit hits the fan? We turned our back on most of the Euro countries when they needed us.. look at Poland..or Bulgaria.. how much do we give them for economic reasons? But we flood the shores of Israel with US Tax dollars.
 
ZIONISTS WANT WORLD WAR III

In January of 2001, 9 months before the 9-11 attacks, a well known economist and political figure with worldwide intelligence connections issued the following prediction:

"A new Middle East war of the general type and implications indicated, will occur if certain specified incidents materialize. It will occur only if the combination of the Israeli government and certain Anglo-American circles wish to have it occur. If they should wish it to occur, the incidents to "explain" that occurrence, will be arranged." "Contrary to widespread childish opinion, most of the important things that happen in the world, happen because powerful forces intend them to happen, not because of some so-called "sociological" or other statistical coincidence of the types reported for the popular edification of the easily deluded. A new Middle East war, bigger than any yet seen, is inevitable under presently reigning global influences.

The man who made that prediction is the perpetual presidential "wannabe" Lyndon Larouche. Now Larouche may be a cult like figure with some really weird interpretations of history, but his intelligence contacts are legitimate and many of his political and economic forecasts have been accurate in the past. Considering all the history and recent events reviewed in this paper, and the logical conclusions which they lead us to, the above prediction was "right on the money."

The Zionists (and also Anglo-American Internationalist interests) do not conceal their desire for World War III, with American troops doing dying. They pulled off 9-11, turned us into Arab hating fanatics, put an American flag in our hands, and are marching us off to die for Zionism. Just read what Ra'anan Gissin - a senior adviser to and spokesman for Ariel "the Butcher" Sharon - said in an interview with the Arizona Daily Star in April of 2002:

"The terror attacks on Sept. 11 and extreme turmoil in the Middle East point to one thing - World War III. We've been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. The world is going to fight, whether they like it or not. I'm sure.''

Here's another warmongering, inflammatory quote from Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, urging the US to attack Iraq:

Attacking Iraq now would be "quite dangerous, but postponing it would be more dangerous." The problem today is not if but when."

And here's another warmongering quote from an editorial that former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamim Netanyahu wrote for the New York Post headlined "Today We are All Americans":

"What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of civilization.... I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, led by President Bush, will marshal the enormous reserves of power at our disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people and mobilize our collective will to eradicate this evil from the face of the earth.... The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan. For the bin Ladens of the world, Israel is merely a sideshow. America is the target"

Do you see how these evil Zionist bastards play the game? They turn their enemies into our enemies while pretending to be our "allies". They laugh and celebrate as 1000's of innocent Americans are burned and crushed to death. And when someone dares to shine the light of truth upon them, they label you an "anti-Semite"! Can you not see that we've been played for fools?

Behold this bit of bold hypocrisy by American Jewish Congress President Jack Rosen:

"I don't think Palestinians celebrating the death of thousands of Americans should go unchallenged."

Is that so Jack? What about the Israelis who celebrated the death of thousands of Americans. Why haven't you challenged that?

Now read this quote from the Prince of Darkness himself - Pentagon big shot and Zionist fanatic Richard Perle:

"Neither the president nor the British Prime Minister will be deflected by Saddam's diplomatic charm offensive, the feckless moralizing of 'peace' lobbies or the unsolicited advice of retired generals."

Perle not only lays down the policy line for Bush, but apparently for British Prime Minister Tony Blair as well. And note how casually he dismissed the sound advice of those retired generals who warned that a war against Iraq was unnecessary. But what does Perle care! His kids won't be dying. As always, it will only be the children of the flag waving masses, which Perle and his Zionist brothers and sisters see as nothing more than cannon fodder for Zionism, who will do the fighting and killing. What threat did Iraq ever pose to the US? None! Iraq, and other Arab nations, are to be crushed so that Israel can have a freer hand to expand in the Middle East.

It appears that George Bush goes along with the wishes of these Zionist gangsters for his own political protection and/or advancement, but it is unclear as to what extant he is truly in agreement with them. Bush and Cheney may even be under a some form of blackmail. But they also represent oil interests and the Caspian Sea area is rich in oil and minerals. Plans have been in the works for years to build pipelines to take the oil from the Caspian, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, and then out to sea. The "oil angle" may be a secondary contributing factor behind the "War on Terrorism", one much nearer to the hearts of Bush/Cheney than the cause of Zionism.

It is clear from just the well publicized information that the president had at least some type of knowledge that a major attack was coming. Do you remember Bush’s strange behavior when he was first told of the attacks? He was reading to a group of Florida school children when his Chief of Staff Andy Card whispered the news of the second tower being hit in New York. Instead of just calmly excusing himself and apologizing to the kids for having to leave suddenly, Bush qickly shifted his eyes at the camera, turned somber, and then returned to reading for another 15 minutes!
Our major cities were under attack, 1000’s of his countrymen were burning or jumping to their deaths on live TV, and more planes were still unaccounted for. Yet Bush just sat there with a stupid look on his face and then went back to reading a story about a goat. Is this the reaction of a man who was truly surprised by these horrible attacks? Or is this more indicative of the reaction of a guilty person who, like FDR just before Pearl Harbor, was expecting an attack and therefore was not surprised?

There are many politicians and journalists in America who "carry the Zionist’s water" for them only because they are careerists who understand very well from whence their bread is buttered. My suspicion is that if Bush doesn't deliver a war against Iraq, and then WW III against other Arab states, Joe Lieberman may be installed as president in 2004, with McCain running as an independent to draw votes away from Bush. Will Bush, like Wilson in WW I, and FDR in WW II, go all the way and deliver WW III to the Zionist Mafia?

Iraq knows who is behind the planned attack on their nation. In an interview with CBS’s Dan Rather, Aziz accused the Zionists:

"This war which the Bush government is a planning does not serve the basic interest in the long run of the American nation. It serves the imperialistic interest of Israel and the Zionist groups who have now a great say in the American policy."

How sadly ironic it is that the Arabs know that the Zionist Mafia dominates America but the American people are oblivious to it. But who will tell the American people if the Zionists dominate the media too?
 
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FreakMonster said:
ZIONISTS WANT WORLD WAR III

In January of 2001, 9 months before the 9-11 attacks, a well known economist and political figure with worldwide intelligence connections issued the following prediction:

"A new Middle East war of the general type and implications indicated, will occur if certain specified incidents materialize. It will occur only if the combination of the Israeli government and certain Anglo-American circles wish to have it occur. If they should wish it to occur, the incidents to "explain" that occurrence, will be arranged." "Contrary to widespread childish opinion, most of the important things that happen in the world, happen because powerful forces intend them to happen, not because of some so-called "sociological" or other statistical coincidence of the types reported for the popular edification of the easily deluded. A new Middle East war, bigger than any yet seen, is inevitable under presently reigning global influences.

The man who made that prediction is the perpetual presidential "wannabe" Lyndon Larouche. Now Larouche may be a cult like figure with some really weird interpretations of history, but his intelligence contacts are legitimate and many of his political and economic forecasts have been accurate in the past. Considering all the history and recent events reviewed in this paper, and the logical conclusions which they lead us to, the above prediction was "right on the money."

The Zionists (and also Anglo-American Internationalist interests) do not conceal their desire for World War III, with American troops doing dying. They pulled off 9-11, turned us into Arab hating fanatics, put an American flag in our hands, and are marching us off to die for Zionism. Just read what Ra'anan Gissin - a senior adviser to and spokesman for Ariel "the Butcher" Sharon - said in an interview with the Arizona Daily Star in April of 2002:

"The terror attacks on Sept. 11 and extreme turmoil in the Middle East point to one thing - World War III. We've been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. The world is going to fight, whether they like it or not. I'm sure.''

Here's another warmongering, inflammatory quote from Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, urging the US to attack Iraq:

Attacking Iraq now would be "quite dangerous, but postponing it would be more dangerous." The problem today is not if but when."

And here's another warmongering quote from an editorial that former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamim Netanyahu wrote for the New York Post headlined "Today We are All Americans":

"What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of civilization.... I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, led by President Bush, will marshal the enormous reserves of power at our disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people and mobilize our collective will to eradicate this evil from the face of the earth.... The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan. For the bin Ladens of the world, Israel is merely a sideshow. America is the target"

Do you see how these evil Zionist bastards play the game? They turn their enemies into our enemies while pretending to be our "allies". They laugh and celebrate as 1000's of innocent Americans are burned and crushed to death. And when someone dares to shine the light of truth upon them, they label you an "anti-Semite"! Can you not see that we've been played for fools?

Behold this bit of bold hypocrisy by American Jewish Congress President Jack Rosen:

"I don't think Palestinians celebrating the death of thousands of Americans should go unchallenged."

Is that so Jack? What about the Israelis who celebrated the death of thousands of Americans. Why haven't you challenged that?

Now read this quote from the Prince of Darkness himself - Pentagon big shot and Zionist fanatic Richard Perle:

"Neither the president nor the British Prime Minister will be deflected by Saddam's diplomatic charm offensive, the feckless moralizing of 'peace' lobbies or the unsolicited advice of retired generals."

Perle not only lays down the policy line for Bush, but apparently for British Prime Minister Tony Blair as well. And note how casually he dismissed the sound advice of those retired generals who warned that a war against Iraq was unnecessary. But what does Perle care! His kids won't be dying. As always, it will only be the children of the flag waving masses, which Perle and his Zionist brothers and sisters see as nothing more than cannon fodder for Zionism, who will do the fighting and killing. What threat did Iraq ever pose to the US? None! Iraq, and other Arab nations, are to be crushed so that Israel can have a freer hand to expand in the Middle East.

It appears that George Bush goes along with the wishes of these Zionist gangsters for his own political protection and/or advancement, but it is unclear as to what extant he is truly in agreement with them. Bush and Cheney may even be under a some form of blackmail. But they also represent oil interests and the Caspian Sea area is rich in oil and minerals. Plans have been in the works for years to build pipelines to take the oil from the Caspian, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, and then out to sea. The "oil angle" may be a secondary contributing factor behind the "War on Terrorism", one much nearer to the hearts of Bush/Cheney than the cause of Zionism.

It is clear from just the well publicized information that the president had at least some type of knowledge that a major attack was coming. Do you remember Bush’s strange behavior when he was first told of the attacks? He was reading to a group of Florida school children when his Chief of Staff Andy Card whispered the news of the second tower being hit in New York. Instead of just calmly excusing himself and apologizing to the kids for having to leave suddenly, Bush qickly shifted his eyes at the camera, turned somber, and then returned to reading for another 15 minutes!
Our major cities were under attack, 1000’s of his countrymen were burning or jumping to their deaths on live TV, and more planes were still unaccounted for. Yet Bush just sat there with a stupid look on his face and then went back to reading a story about a goat. Is this the reaction of a man who was truly surprised by these horrible attacks? Or is this more indicative of the reaction of a guilty person who, like FDR just before Pearl Harbor, was expecting an attack and therefore was not surprised?

There are many politicians and journalists in America who "carry the Zionist’s water" for them only because they are careerists who understand very well from whence their bread is buttered. My suspicion is that if Bush doesn't deliver a war against Iraq, and then WW III against other Arab states, Joe Lieberman may be installed as president in 2004, with McCain running as an independent to draw votes away from Bush. Will Bush, like Wilson in WW I, and FDR in WW II, go all the way and deliver WW III to the Zionist Mafia?

Iraq knows who is behind the planned attack on their nation. In an interview with CBS’s Dan Rather, Aziz accused the Zionists:

"This war which the Bush government is a planning does not serve the basic interest in the long run of the American nation. It serves the imperialistic interest of Israel and the Zionist groups who have now a great say in the American policy."

How sadly ironic it is that the Arabs know that the Zionist Mafia dominates America but the American people are oblivious to it. But who will tell the American people if the Zionists dominate the media too?

Nice example of anti-semitic garbage. You should have said "I hate Jews" and saved yourself a lot of typing. :nopity:
 
40butpumpin said:


Nice example of anti-semitic garbage. You should have said "I hate Jews" and saved yourself a lot of typing. :nopity:

Maybe you didn't read my post right. Do you understand what a Zionist is?

Zionism in particular referred to the effort among CERTAIN jews to establish a jewish nation in the land of Palestine. In a more general sense, the term "Zionist" is also used to describe a certain element within the jewish community (NOT ALL OF THEM!), who believe in Jewish Supremacy, thus putting their own interests ahead of those of the nation in which they reside. It is a mistake to assume that ALL jews are supporters of the "Zionist Mafia" or Jewish Supremacy. In fact, some of the strongest condemnations of Zionism and Jewish Supremacy comes from jews themselves! So before you go around calling me a Jew hater why don't you get your facts straight!
 
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Jeez people. The U.S. will get bogged down and run out of weapons, huh? Do you people realise that right now we are not geared economically to sustain an enourmous war. But things can change. During WWII, i believe it was close to 30% of our GDP went towards the war effort. Right now, it is estimated it will take under 5% of our GDP to sustain a war in Iraq. And think about how much greater our GDP is now. We have a huge capacity to sustain a war, if we gear ourselves for it. But whatever.

And Hengst, or wahtever your name is, a war "by Christian's against the muslims and darker people".
You silly, silly bastard. Whatever, i am not gonna argue with you. Keep on believeing that. Maybe your country will get some of its landmarks blown up, or maybe someone will cram a brautwuerst up your ass. Perhaps then you will realise that it is them hating us, not the other way around.
 
JohnyJuice said:
Jeez people. The U.S. will get bogged down and run out of weapons, huh?

If I'm not terribly mistaken, we ran out of Tomahawk cruise, sea-to-land missles during the Gulf War. And they cost about $1e6 (1 million) each btw.

I think any nation would/could get 'bogged down' if they were spread as thin as we will soon be. Iraq, N. Korea and the Chinese-Taiwan ordeal are three MAJOR conflicts that are just waiting to happen. If any two take place I believe the third will percieve us to be over-extended and follow through which IMO would definitely overwhelm the US and that says nothing of a Chinese/Pakistan-India nuke war, Russia or Iran.

Finally contrary to seemingly popular belief, the US is not the Superman of the world nor does it have the support from allies that it once had. I also think the US is probably the most hated country in the world right now. I think we're in deep doo doo. :confused:
 
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40butpumpin said:


If I'm not terribly mistaken, we ran out of Tomahawk cruise, sea-to-land missles during the Gulf War. And they cost about $1e6 (1 million) each btw.


I believe you are thinking about the Iraqi conflict after Bush, under Saddam. I have a somewhat witty, anti liberal remark to make based on that being a fact (no, not an insult towards you man), so i will reserve it pending my assumtion is true. Where is MattheSkywalker when you need his know it all ass?
 
JohnyJuice said:


I believe you are thinking about the Iraqi conflict after Bush, under Saddam. I have a somewhat witty, anti liberal remark to make based on that being a fact (no, not an insult towards you man), so i will reserve it pending my assumtion is true. Where is MattheSkywalker when you need his know it all ass?

You're right, my mistake.
 
40butpumpin said:


Nice example of anti-semitic garbage. You should have said "I hate Jews" and saved yourself a lot of typing. :nopity:


Weak man... weak.
 
JohnyJuice said:


I believe you are thinking about the Iraqi conflict after Bush, under Saddam. I have a somewhat witty, anti liberal remark to make based on that being a fact (no, not an insult towards you man), so i will reserve it pending my assumtion is true. Where is MattheSkywalker when you need his know it all ass?

I meant to say "the iraqi conflict after bush, under clinton". But i see you knew what i am talking bout. And the answer to why we almost ran out of cruise missles was because instead of using bombs, CLinton liked what using high tech weapons would do for his image. To bad he used them on everything and everything. Total waste. And i remind you of how down sized and starving our military was under Clinton. He should have at least donated some of the money the chinese gave him in exchange for nuke technology to the military. After all, he did sell out his own nation.
 
40butpumpin said:


Nice example of anti-semitic garbage. You should have said "I hate Jews" and saved yourself a lot of typing. :nopity:

See !!! perfect example. Critize Isreal and be accused of being an anti-semite.

I do not subscribe to conspiricy theories, however, as time goes on it becomes more and more evident that the US press only portrays Isreal as a beleagered victim, whereas the crappy stuff that Isreal does is completely ignored. examples:

1. There is a continued expansion of Isreali settlements in the occupied territories. This is a blatent violation of various UN resolutions. We (the west) demand that the palestinians comply but totally ignore Isreali's violations. The settlement issues are a major complaint of the palestinians and the #1 cause of the infatada.
2. Although Isreal is a "democracy" and has a sizeable arabic population (Isreali Arabs they are called) the political parties that represent them have been outlawed and denied participation in the political process. This happened just last week. BUT the extreme right wing, militant projewish party that WAS banned because of their extremism has been allowed to take part in the next election, in 3 weeks.

DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON TV. The news presentations are geared to whip up american support for an ill-fated adventure.
 
Hengst said:


See !!! perfect example. Critize Isreal and be accused of being an anti-semite.

I do not subscribe to conspiricy theories, however, as time goes on it becomes more and more evident that the US press only portrays Isreal as a beleagered victim, whereas the crappy stuff that Isreal does is completely ignored. examples:

1. There is a continued expansion of Isreali settlements in the occupied territories. This is a blatent violation of various UN resolutions. We (the west) demand that the palestinians comply but totally ignore Isreali's violations. The settlement issues are a major complaint of the palestinians and the #1 cause of the infatada.
2. Although Isreal is a "democracy" and has a sizeable arabic population (Isreali Arabs they are called) the political parties that represent them have been outlawed and denied participation in the political process. This happened just last week. BUT the extreme right wing, militant projewish party that WAS banned because of their extremism has been allowed to take part in the next election, in 3 weeks.

DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON TV. The news presentations are geared to whip up american support for an ill-fated adventure.

Good post!!!
 
Hengst said:


See !!! perfect example. Critize Isreal and be accused of being an anti-semite.

I do not subscribe to conspiricy theories, however, as time goes on it becomes more and more evident that the US press only portrays Isreal as a beleagered victim, whereas the crappy stuff that Isreal does is completely ignored. examples:

1. There is a continued expansion of Isreali settlements in the occupied territories. This is a blatent violation of various UN resolutions. We (the west) demand that the palestinians comply but totally ignore Isreali's violations. The settlement issues are a major complaint of the palestinians and the #1 cause of the infatada.
2. Although Isreal is a "democracy" and has a sizeable arabic population (Isreali Arabs they are called) the political parties that represent them have been outlawed and denied participation in the political process. This happened just last week. BUT the extreme right wing, militant projewish party that WAS banned because of their extremism has been allowed to take part in the next election, in 3 weeks.

DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON TV. The news presentations are geared to whip up american support for an ill-fated adventure.

blah blah blah...yawn.
 
JohnyJuice said:


I meant to say "the iraqi conflict after bush, under clinton". But i see you knew what i am talking bout. And the answer to why we almost ran out of cruise missles was because instead of using bombs, CLinton liked what using high tech weapons would do for his image. To bad he used them on everything and everything. Total waste. And i remind you of how down sized and starving our military was under Clinton. He should have at least donated some of the money the chinese gave him in exchange for nuke technology to the military. After all, he did sell out his own nation.


Remember.. Israel is selling us out day in and day out.
 
dballer said:



Remember.. Israel is selling us out day in and day out.

Don't worry. I dont trust the israeli government all that much either.
 
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