PHs vs. AS

[schneiderc2004]

Guys,
I was wondering what your opinion was about PHs. I've used 19-Nor, 4-Andro back when I was 19. It didn't give me that many results like the real deal. Plus back then, there was no 6-OXO or any legal PCT. The result was itchy and puffy nipples, which resulted in a little bit of gyno. It seems that PHs are not effective on building muscle, plus I think they give you more side effects than AS. I've never tried M1-T, 1-AD or any of those. Any comments?

 

[SlimJim300]

I don't think it really matters. They aren't widely available anymore since they became illegal. If you do find a supplier for them they will be a bit overpriced. Although PHs worked good for some people, noone can deny that they are less effective then the real thing; and the real thing is cheaper and easier to find.

 

[cranny]

Leave the PH's alone bro. A good cycle of test within moderation will give great results with less to no sides compared to PH's.

 

[djsf]

I don't think it really matters. They aren't widely available anymore since they became illegal. If you do find a supplier for them they will be a bit overpriced. Although PHs worked good for some people, noone can deny that they are less effective then the real thing; and the real thing is cheaper and easier to find.

Not true. There is a whole new breed of prohormones appearing in the stores again. I tried one of them and it was amazing. The product is called "Trenobol" and once you ingest it, it acts just like oral Trenbolone, with all the same effects and sides. It's either a precursor to the trenbolone molecule, or it's a form of trenbolone that's ever so slightly modified as to be technically different chemically but works the same in the body. I don't have any idea how these products skirt the prohormone law but somehow they are doing it.

Trenobol is $90 for 90 25mg capsules. The chemical name is 19-Norandrosta 4,9-diene 3,17-dione. It's available at Max Muscle in San Francisco.

They also have a product called "Methyl 1-p" which I have not tried, but people are getting good results from.

These new prohormones are more potent than ever and basically are exotic new oral steroids, because that's how they act. I am betting it won't be long before these are all taken off the market.

- DJ

 

[SlimJim300]

Not true. There is a whole new breed of prohormones appearing in the stores again. I tried one of them and it was amazing. The product is called "Trenobol" and once you ingest it, it acts just like oral Trenbolone, with all the same effects and sides. It's either a precursor to the trenbolone molecule, or it's a form of trenbolone that's ever so slightly modified as to be technically different chemically but works the same in the body. I don't have any idea how these products skirt the prohormone law but somehow they are doing it.

Trenobol is $90 for 90 25mg capsules. The chemical name is 19-Norandrosta 4,9-diene 3,17-dione. It's available at Max Muscle in San Francisco.

They also have a product called "Methyl 1-p" which I have not tried, but people are getting good results from.

These new prohormones are more potent than ever and basically are exotic new oral steroids, because that's how they act. I am betting it won't be long before these are all taken off the market.

- DJ

Wow... I had no idea; thanks for chiming in! I know that near the end there were some pretty impressive "legal steroids" to come out, like superdrol and what not. It's too bad most people never really got to find out what they were like.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have legal information on these new things?

 

[schneiderc2004]

Wow... I had no idea; thanks for chiming in! I know that near the end there were some pretty impressive "legal steroids" to come out, like superdrol and what not. It's too bad most people never really got to find out what they were like.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have legal information on these new things?

I'm assuming they are not in the list of controlled substances yet. Once the FDA finds out, they will be long gone. They are probably gonna be around for a while as long as some dumbass doesn't say anything in public. Yeah, I think that real gear is much better than PHs, more effective and less side effects...

 

[Ulter]

PH's are a total waste. All the sides, more money, and none of the gains of AS.

 

[DJ_UFO]

True. PH more sides, less gains. There's something new out there called "methatsteron" Supposed to have little sides compared to regular PH with steroid-like gains. Any info about this?

 

[blut wump]

These creations have precisely one thing in their favour and that's that they're currently legal in the US and Canada.

What else is there to discuss besides that you have to take multiple grams of 17AA crud per week to get an effect at all comparable with a couple of hundred mgs or less of dbol, OT etc?

 

[heavy_duty]

PH are only good for guys over age 30/35. Now they have one that mimics Anavar!

 

[blut wump]

True. PH more sides, less gains. There's something new out there called "methatsteron" Supposed to have little sides compared to regular PH with steroid-like gains. Any info about this?

Do a Google search for methasteron. Most results come up with Anabolic Xtreme Superdrol from Designer Supplements. Recommended dosage seems to be 20-40 mg/day.

Methasteron :- 2a-17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one

I've seen this image alongside it a few times if it means anything to anyone here beyond being some spurious hack of Test.

OK here's what looks to be a write-up worth reading...
http://www.planetarynutrition.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=92

Here's another piece from muscletalk on Superdrol:
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-superdrol.asp

 

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[alcatraz1662]

Guys,
I was wondering what your opinion was about PHs. I've used 19-Nor, 4-Andro back when I was 19. It didn't give me that many results like the real deal. Plus back then, there was no 6-OXO or any legal PCT. The result was itchy and puffy nipples, which resulted in a little bit of gyno. It seems that PHs are not effective on building muscle, plus I think they give you more side effects than AS. I've never tried M1-T, 1-AD or any of those. Any comments?

dj_ufo, ulter, and cranny give my opinion on the subject. however, that's not to say that there aren't some stuff out there that actually works; but most of it for me was complete crap. I've tried alot of PHs/PSs/DSs out there and got more sides and less gains than with AAS.....pheraplex was the only one that was decent.

low dose test and a SERM afterwards.

~Alc

 

[bigdofba]

Whats the difference between the stuff that was banned in 2005 as opposed to the stuff that will be banned come June 24th?

 

[halfcenturian]

the '05 Shit was better then the Shit they're banning this year...
The operative word here - is Shit....In MY opinion. Stick to gear!

 

[Just Add Muscle]

Not true. There is a whole new breed of prohormones appearing in the stores again. I tried one of them and it was amazing. The product is called "Trenobol" and once you ingest it, it acts just like oral Trenbolone, with all the same effects and sides. It's either a precursor to the trenbolone molecule, or it's a form of trenbolone that's ever so slightly modified as to be technically different chemically but works the same in the body. I don't have any idea how these products skirt the prohormone law but somehow they are doing it.

Trenobol is $90 for 90 25mg capsules. The chemical name is 19-Norandrosta 4,9-diene 3,17-dione. It's available at Max Muscle in San Francisco.

They also have a product called "Methyl 1-p" which I have not tried, but people are getting good results from.

These new prohormones are more potent than ever and basically are exotic new oral steroids, because that's how they act. I am betting it won't be long before these are all taken off the market.

- DJ

This is some bad ass stuff bro,it is like Oral Trenbolone and its the same active ingredient that is in Infinite Labs Cyclotren that the ahole D.E.A and FDA are banning on June 26th.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

PH's are a total waste. All the sides, more money, and none of the gains of AS.

Yes Prohormones were pretty much a huge waste.It took too much liver stress in the conversion process from your liver.