PhenylPropinate???- Is it the same...

[Texas Ranger]

Guys, is phenylpropinate the same as propinate? I was thinking of closing my cycle with it and some winny. If it's different, what is the half life?

 

[Jan]

Propionate: Chemical Structure C3H6O2.

Also referred to as Carboxyethane; hydroacrylic acid; Methylacetic acid; Ethylformic acid; Ethanecarboxylic acid; metacetonic acid; pseudoacetic acid; Propionic Acid. Propionate esters will slow the release of a steroid for several days. To keep blood levels from fluctuating greatly, propionate compounds are usually injected two to three times weekly. Testosterone propionate and methandriol dipropionate (two separate propionate esters attached to the parent steroid methandriol) are popular items.


Phenylpropionate: Chemical Structure C9H10O2.

Also referred to as Propionic Acid Phenyl Ester. Phenylpropionate will extend the release of active steroid a few days longer than propionate. To keep blood levels even, injections are given at least twice weekly. Durabolin is the drug most commonly seen with a phenylpropionate ester (nandrolone phenylpropionate), although it is also used with testosterone in Sustanon and Omnadren.


Jan

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[Texas Ranger]

So, can I use it to close my cycle in place of regular propinate? Take a look at my cycle. Test Enanthate@500mgs for 8 weeks, EQ/Deca@400mgs for 8 weeks, Dbol@35mgs for the first 4 weeks. Then, weeks 9-10 Phenylpropinate@600mgs and Winstrol Tabs@50mgs a day. Clomid will be taken weeks 11-13 to recover as quickly as possible and to keep most of my gains. So, does it look OK?

 

[Italianboy]

Sure.It's fine.

 

[panerai]

I'm not 100% sure and hope that someone will correct me, if I'm wrong, but Phenyl-Propionate is not that short as most of us think. In a matter of fact, it's slightly longer then Enanthate or Cypionate, and has half life approx. 6 days.

 

[Italianboy]

NOt true.Enat and cip(=ciclopentil propionate)lasts 2-3weeks.Phen prop just 5-7days,and prop 3-5days.

 

[panerai]

NOt true.Enat and cip(=ciclopentil propionate)lasts 2-3weeks.Phen prop just 5-7days,and prop 3-5days.

That's what I thought, until I read post by GymRatSD on AnabolicFitness board, and that's when I start having doubts about old info.
Would be great if some more people with knowledge participate in this discussion, so we can solve it once and for all.
Anyway, that's the GymRatSD's post:
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"I think the biggest mistake made here is the association of phenylproprionate to propionate. It's almost like comparing apples to oranges. Proprionate is a three-carbon ester chain. Phenylproprionate is the prop chain with a phenyl group attached at the end, in other words, a six-carbon benzene ring, making it a nine-carbon ester. It's three times the size! It's LONGER than both cypionate (an eight-carbon ester, also has a ring attached, coincidentally) and enanthate (a seven-carbon ester)!
Release times of esters are just about completely based on the ester length, so tell me, how can phenylproprionate possibly have a shorter half-life than enanthate or cypionate?

Fact is, bad science is provided by many of these anabolic sites. It requires knowledge boards like this one to correct these mistakes."
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Make sense to me, but I'm not a chemist, so hope someone will who knows will contribute.
But, please, don't repost the crap from anabolic sites, give the real info, one we can check.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Bump for someone who knows!!

 

[spentagn]

I've always seen it compared to an enanthate or cypionate

 

[maxes21]

now are you talking about nandrolone phenylproprionate? u compare it to cyp or enan. ok. im not sure i would go that far. cyp and enanthate are really similar but not phenyl

 

[Texas Ranger]

Bump for Huck and Mustang!!!

 

[Texas Ranger]

Bump!!!

 

[CCrom]

Damn good question! C'mon all you knowledgable bro's, we need some input!

Crom

 

[Italianboy]

Bump!!

 

[PARABOLAN]

wouldnt make a difference to me cuz i inject everyday (even my enanthate)..

 

[Texas Ranger]

Bump for Mods and Vets!! Thinking about using Phenylpropinate(Romanian-Sicomed).

 

[panerai]

Testosteron C19H28O2
Propionate C22H32O3
Cypionate C27H32O3

Now, the deffinition for Phenyl is a molecular group or fragment formed by abstracting or substituting one of the hydrogen atoms attached to a benzene ring

Benzene ring is C6H6

So, Propionate+Phenyl will give us 9 carbons and we have 8 in Cypionate(7 in Enanthate), so obviously, GymRatSD is correct. Pheyl-Propionate has slightly longer half life then both Cypionate or Enanthate.