PH Stacking for Different Goals

[growin']

OK, when we use steroids, we stack them to take the best of each and get a synergistic effect. What about with PH? Of course you could combine more PH in any stack, but I have limited them to 2 for comparison purposes. Also, I suppose you could replace 1-Test with 1AD or 3Alpha as they are all similar in nature. These are some ideas I am throwing around:

Bulking
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1. 4AD
2. 1-Test
Good bulk from the 4AD, but less water due to the 1-Test. HUGE strength increases from using two highly androgenic substances.

or

1. 4AD
2. Nordiol
Basically a Test/Deca stack. A little bloat from each. Overall strength and size increases.

or

1. 4AD
2. 1,4 Andro
Bulk from 4AD with increase in appetite from the 1,4 andro. Would estrogen be a problem on this one?

Cutting
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1. 1-Test
2. Nordiol
Nordiol produces less water retention than 4AD, and the 1-test should further reduce that. Both should help retain muscle.

or

1. 1-Test
2. 1,4 Andro
1,4 if its really like EQ, should increase vascularity, but the hunger increase may be a problem. The 1-Test will lower estrogen, making cutting easier/faster. 1-Test should also keep strength up.

 

[riskybizz007]

Some people claim the 1,4 andro increases appetite. If this is the case I wouldn't recommend it for cutting unless you like to try to cut w/ an increased appetite.

Some say the 1Test would be an excellent for cutting b/c it helps preserve the muscle, I have yet to hear of someone using it for cutting purposes so I can't comment on that. 4AD spray and 19Nordiol also seem pretty good options, if the 19Nor functions at all like deca it will help you retain a positive nitrogen balance while cutting. Only thing that would bug would probobly be carrying around the extra water.

I haven't heard still not one person using 1,4 andro. To me the 4AD has always sucked, but some users like it. I would really like to experiment w/ the 1,4 andro (oral) and 1-Test transdermal for bulking. If the 1,4 works better than 4AD it would be a kick ass cycle and you'll probobly be 1 hungry ass MF.

 

[growin']

I was impressed with 4AD. I totally agree, I have not heard a damn thing, good or bad, about 1,4. What the hell?

 

[riskybizz007]

I've been checking 2 boards and asking around for users of 1,4 and have come up w/ zilch. The people who have used it used it in conjunction w/ something else so i really can't say what worked and what didn't. But since 4AD has never worked for me, I'm thinking maybe the 1,4 would probobly be a better choice for me. Now i just have to wait out in my offtime and save some money so i can go through w/ it.

 

[growin']

You gonna use 1-Test this time, or stick to 1AD?

I am really interested in using topical Nordiol. I will try it by itself to see how it works. Then, maybe this summer I'll hit a nordiol/1-Test stack to cut, and hit a 4AD/Nordiol/1-Test to bulk in fall.

 

[Par Deus]

Also, I suppose you could replace 1-Test with 1AD or 3Alpha as they are all similar in nature.

3Alpha is a DHT precursor, and DHT is deactivated in muscle tissue via 3beta-HSD, which is why no one uses DHT as an anabolic despite its being extremely potent at the receptor -- so, comparing it to 1-AD and 1-test isn't really accurate.

 

[Par Deus]

To me the 4AD has always sucked, but some users like it.

Have you used it as a topical???

 

[growin']

3Alpha is a DHT precursor, and DHT is deactivated in muscle tissue via 3beta-HSD, which is why no one uses DHT as an anabolic despite its being extremely potent at the receptor -- so, comparing it to 1-AD and 1-test isn't really accurate.

Thanks for clarifying that Par. So I guess you are left with ONE as a topical, or 1AD if you prefer the oral route. Just throwing out some options.

Par Deus, what do you think of a Nordiol/1-Test stack for cutting? My thinking is this would be like a Deca/Winny stack, seeing as 1-Test seems to reduce water. You may gain a little water, but you should hold onto muscle/strength well with this.

 

[riskybizz007]

Growin', i'm tapering off the 1AD this week, and I actually gained another pound. Today in my workout i felt so tight i couldn't move that well. Man, i'm up 16 pounds and i'm thinking about calling again and just continuing the cycle to see where I end up. I have 2 hours before store closes... ahhhhhh! what should i do?????

 

[riskybizz007]

Par no i have not used the topical... I had a shit load of oral pills and I'd take 10 spaced out throughout the day. About 1g/day. Strength went up big time but no weight gain. Next time i'll try the topical.