PGF-2A = Instant Runs

[damescleman]

Wow, started taking yesterday afternoon. Both yesterday and this morning within thirty minutes of taking, I had to sh*t. I'm taking 20iu each bicep, 10iu each side stomach, and 20iu each side lower chest. Does anybody know if taking Pepto Bismo or anything will help with the runs.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Yes it does...Take a large serving of the EXTRA-STRENGTH 15-20minutes before your injections.It will not only slow down the shit episodes,but the abdominal cramping as well....

 

[Stew Meat]

Pepto definately helps... I've always taken pepto beforehand though.




-Stew

 

[CLEMDOG]

haha... hell ya

I just started yesterday too for the first time. Its quite some shit, huh? I just hit 60 units total about 20 minutes ago. 15 each pec, 15 each calf. I used 40 units yesterday 10 for each and even 15 units hurts a good bit worse over the 10.

As far as the runs I get them about 30min after shooting. Unfortunately I dont think anything is going to help. Maybe it was just coincidence but I had the shits all day yesterday and too much damn gas, I hope it was just the food and not the PGF2, cause hell that would suck to have the runs all day long!

Have fun!

 

[anabolic24/7]

DaMescleMan

Did the pain get any worse?

 

[damescleman]

Yesterday was my third day to take it. I took 20iu each injection for a total of 120iu. Had to go to the bathroom once within about 20 minutes of taking it, but that was it. No other side effects or urges to go to the bathroom. So hopefully I'm getting used to it. 20iu in each bicep isn't bad at all on the pain factor. My biceps are only a stiff for about 30 minutes and that's it. They just feel like a kinda worked them out, but not real hard. I'm using insulin pins that are 30 guage and only 5/16 inch, so maybe I'm not going deep enough in the bicep?? I think that it was Stew that said he got bruises after he injects. I'm getting the same thing in my chest and stomach, not biceps. Maybe it's because I'm not going into the muscles there. I jab and then pull back and get air so I know I'm not hitting a vein, any other ideas on what would cause these. It doesn't bruise real bad, and isn't even black, but just a little bit yellowish brown in color.

 

[Big Brother Val]

WOOHOO!!!!!!!

Glad to hear we have another inductee to the PGF2-a Hall of Shits!!

Yep. Huck has it.... EXTRA STRENGTH Pepto... or twice the dosage of regular strength before you take the shot... really helps out.

I'm not sure why it would discolor without breaking a blood vessel or what not like a regular bruise...
But when I took it, after I shot, the veins in the area that I shot would turn purple.
Yep... purple.
From my bi's and tri's into my delts, and forearms... would be a light purple color. Don't know what the hell that means... but it happened with every single shot.
Does it turn yellow with every single shot besides bi's? Or just once?

And also, I think you'd be alright with the 5/16 if you don't have much bodyfat... but the 1/2 would be would I suggest for bicep shots.

 

[Jeff_rys]

hitting a vein

you probably hit a vein (go through it).
I always have this hitting a vein close to the surface but difficult to spot it. A drop of blood comes out of the vein and you got your bruises.
Although 5/16 inch is real short. I use a 1/2 inch 30 gauge even for the Winny (Zambon). From now on i am using a spot light so i can see where to shoot without hitting a vein.

 

[ItalMonster]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong wtih my PGF. I'm hitting 300iu a day of it and the worst side is localized pain. I don't get the shits EVER, chest never gets constricted, and my muscles don't hurt where I hit them. I've been hitting my chest(20 iu in 3 spots each side), my stomach(rotating 20iu in 5 spots), and 40iu in each bicep(EOD), and on the other days hitting the quads. After hitting my quads for the first time a week ago, I now have a greater appreciation for being able to walk. If you saw me hobbling around, you would've been laughing your ass off, but no pain, no gain.

 

[damescleman]

Well if I would have went through a vein, wouldn't it have drawn some blood in and not just air?? I've bruised twice once on the chest and once on the upper abs. I bought a box of 100 insulin pins at 5/16, and even though they are still sealed, the guy at Walgreens said I couldn't return them once I left with them. I have probably a little less than 20% bf. Last I checked it was right at 20, but that was before my DNP cycle and I weighed 260. That cycle ended about 2-3 weeks ago, and I think that I'm just now seeing the results in weight. Friday I weighed 253, and Sat. I weighed 250. But I think that 3 pounds all came out in the bathroom. Since I'm only injecting in the muscle in the biceps should I get a 1/2" pin, and since I'm only going into the fat everywhere else, would the 5/16 be alright. Don't want to just waste all those pins.

 

[maximmass]

THE SIDES GET BETTER

BEEN USING PGF2 FOR 8 WEEKS NOW.AT FIRST THE SIDES ARE WICKED,THEN AS YOU STAY ON IT THEY ARE NOT AS BAD.THE BEST RESULTS I GOT WERE AT THE BEGINNING.GREAT PUMPS,VASCULAR.IT ZAPPED MY STRENGTH.SO,ANYONE WHOS THINKING OF TAKING THIS,STICK IT OUT THROUGH THE FIRST FEW WEEKS AND ITS NOT AS BAD.MM

 

[damescleman]

Bump.
Any opinions??

 

[Jeff_rys]

i didn't say you where IN a vein

now look, i have this all the time. Going THROUGH a vein close to the surface and after shooting (not in the vein) and pulling back, the vein lets a drop of blood out (not coming out of the skin, and this gives me my bruises. This stopped since i use a heavy light, shining on the arms so i can see where to stick the needle.
Sure this can still happen again, but not 3 or 4 times a week. It's not funny when everybody at the gym sees your bruises and wandering "what is this".
And yes 5/16 inch will be great for hitting the fat only.
But 20% bodyfat is a lot. Just be sure to go through the skin, that's it.

 

[Big Brother Val]

As always, I agree with Jeff. 5/16 should be fine for under the skin, but I'd score up some 1/2" to hit the bi's.

 

[damescleman]

Thanks bros, I got it now.

But 20% bodyfat is a lot.

You don't have to tell me, I know, I trying to get rid of it.

 

[damescleman]

Took 50iu in each bicep last night. Got kinda sore for about twenty minutes before I feel asleep. Felt pretty good. The night before I took 30iu in each site. Two stomach, two chest, each bicep. What is the most you guys are taking total at a time? per injection? When should I start to see the results?

 

[Big Brother Val]

The most I ever took at once is 4 cc's. 1 cc each bicep and each tricep, 3 times a day. So 12 cc's in a day was my max.
The arm growth started relatively quickly... but I didn't notice anything really good until a few weeks into it. But the increased pumps at the gym, vascularity, and fat burning, even though it was slow going, was enough to keep me motivated to go through it all.

 

[Jeff_rys]

i stopped with the PGF2a and hopefully forever

i don't use it anymore (i think). I am scared for the sides, coming in the future.
But i think BBval is still using it.

 

[Big Brother Val]

Jeff... In mid July when my EQ/D-bol stops, I'll be bridging with PGF2-a for about 8 weeks, until I hit another cycle. Wanna lean up durning the summer months.
This is not guarantee, however.

I really don't want the sides again... but it's the best fat burner I've ever used.

Damnit.

Decisions, decisions.....

 

[damescleman]

BigBroVal- What kind of growth in your biceps did you get over what period of time? I'm finding that the bi injections aren't near as bad as I thought they'd be, I kinda like them. Have you used anything else in your bis for site growth?

 

[Big Brother Val]

I increased about an inch in my first 8 weeks on. But again, I was taking 48 arm shots a week. 18 shots in the shoulders. I lost an inch on my waist as well.

Shit, man. 66 shots a week was hard. Really, really hard.
I wouldn't take that much again. There's just no reason for it. It's like smashing yourself in the balls with a hammer if it would make your arms grow.
Sure you could do it... but why?

 

[damescleman]

Tonight about 2 hr before I go to bed, I'm gonna bump it up and see just what I'm made of. (Literally I'll be able to see it in the toilet) Gonna do 75iu in each bicep, and 75iu twice in stomach and in each chest. This will be 4.5 cc at once.
BBV- why did you take so many shots, and not fewer with higher doses?

 

[Big Brother Val]

Because at the time, not many people had used it at all. Very little info. I believed that you were supposed to take it 3-4 times a day to get any results, because no one had proof that a lesser frequency would be just as effective. I ended up taking a higher dosage at one time, more than 1 cc per muscle per shot, twice a day, once 3 hours or so before my lift, and once right after.
And found the results didn't slow down... I still gained.

So that's why I took so many... I thought based off of what I read, that it was the most effective way to take it. Shit... I won't do that ever again.

That's the disadvantage of being one of the original guinnea pigs.

 

[HappyScrappy]

when you speak of the fat loss (an inch from your waistline) - over what time frame was that, and were you doing cardio as well?

 

[Jeff_rys]

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DaMescleMan, you are only at it for a week, that's why the bi injections are "not that bad".
But taking 4.5 cc at once, after only one week, well good luck. Keep us informed how many times you will be doing this.

 

[damescleman]

Holy shit, just did 4.5cc total. I'll let yall know in the morning whether or not I make it through the night without shitting on myself.

 

[damescleman]

Last night wasn't all that bad. I drank some Pepto about ten minutes before injecting, but it didn't really help any that I could tell. The first 30 minutes, I just felt kinda sick to my stomach, but this might have had something to do with the fact that I took it on an empty stomach. For about 15-20 minutes after that I spent the whole time in the bathroom, and started to sweat like I was on DNP.I then cooled off, and felt fine, and went to sleep easily without waking up. I'm gonna bump it down to 4cc a day w/ 1cc in each bicep, and 1cc in each side of abs. I'm gonna stay at this level for a while and see how it works.