PCT question

[silverfreak]

In a month or more, for my first cycle i'm probably going to run:

300 primo EW 10-12weeks
250 Sust EW 10-12 weeks

Will my PCT need to be stacked for this, or can I get away with either Nolva or Clomid alone? Or would i be able to run something like arimidex and not worry about nolva or clomid at all? Sorry if this is a shitty question....but i know you guys will set me straight.

Thanks!

 

[xrsist]

why do you want to run a couple of compounds for you first cycle?

 

[silverfreak]

I was considering the sust 250 alone.....but was just thinking that the primo would help to add to the look i'm after. Also, i'm interested in the primo due to its mild nature. I'm just thinking that the PCT wouldn't have to be as severe for a cycle of this nature....am i wrong there? Thanks for chiming in Xrsist.

 

[narshh]

I was considering the sust 250 alone.....but was just thinking that the primo would help to add to the look i'm after. Also, i'm interested in the primo due to its mild nature. I'm just thinking that the PCT wouldn't have to be as severe for a cycle of this nature....am i wrong there? Thanks for chiming in Xrsist.

First cycle = TEST for most people IMO but what are you stats?

 

[xrsist]

being your first cycle bro just stick with a test alone add primo 2nd or 3rd cycle. sust 250 once or twice a week (your choice) would be fine as long as you eat well train hard drink plenty of water and get plenty of sleep. PCT use clomid 2 weeks after your last shot of sustanon for 20-30 days @ 50mg a day. keep nolva on hand in case of gyno symptoms

 

[Ross]

Primobolan and Testosterone is PERFECT for a first cycle. Great lean gains, MUCH better than JUST testosterone alone.

Almost everyone will tell you to run Testosterone ONLY for your 1st cycle, and in most cases I agree. But adding the EXTREMELY safe and mild Primobolan is FINE.

You MUST run a complete PCT.

 

[silverfreak]

But adding the EXTREMELY safe and mild Primobolan is FINE.
You MUST run a complete PCT.

Thats what I was thinking....that the primo would be mild (and safe) enough to add without worrying too much. That being said....because primo is non-estrogenic...would my PCT be ok with clomid and or Nolva alone?

I'm 26yrs old, 6'3 200lbs 12-15% BF. Diet is dialed, working out, eating (clean) like a monster, and drinking stupid amounts of water per day. I'm not considering gearing up until the beginning of June.

 

[Ross]

Thats what I was thinking....that the primo would be mild (and safe) enough to add without worrying too much. That being said....because primo is non-estrogenic...would my PCT be ok with clomid and or Nolva alone?

I'm 26yrs old, 6'3 200lbs 12-15% BF. Diet is dialed, working out, eating (clean) like a monster, and drinking stupid amounts of water per day. I'm not considering gearing up until the beginning of June.

Aromatase Inhibitors are not ONLY for reducing estrogen. They are ALSO utilized during PCT because they increase endogenous testosterone production, even moreso than SERMS like Clomid and Nolvadex.

Having said that, you STILL need an AI during your cycle because Testosterone aromatizes heavily. You must also utilize an AI during PCT.

 

[advanced-stealth]

IMO I would bump the sus250 to 2x a wk =500mg

 

[Ross]

IMO I would bump the sus250 to 2x a wk =500mg

This is another good suggestion.

HOWEVER, everyone responds differently. I know that I made HUGE gains on 250mgs of Sustanon per week, and so have many of my colleagues and friends.

START with 250mgs and take it from there.

 

[silverfreak]

Yeah, being that this is my first kick at the cat...i'm going to stick with 250mg for now, and see how it goes.

Ross, would you mind outlining a PCT for this cycle for me? I'm assuming you're saying to use an AI (such as arimidex?) throughout my entire cycle, and then continue usage of the AI along with the SERM of my choice throughout the PCT.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Aromatase Inhibitors are not ONLY for reducing estrogen. They are ALSO utilized during PCT because they increase endogenous testosterone production, even moreso than SERMS like Clomid and Nolvadex.

Having said that, you STILL need an AI during your cycle because Testosterone aromatizes heavily. You must also utilize an AI during PCT.

Do they?

 

[xrsist]

This is another good suggestion.

HOWEVER, everyone responds differently. I know that I made HUGE gains on 250mgs of Sustanon per week, and so have many of my colleagues and friends.

START with 250mgs and take it from there.

agreed

 

[Primordial Performance]

Do they?

Ha, I was wondering about that myself… I think in some cases they might.

Silverfreak, the cycle you originally outlined sounds good for some solid gains.

Just be sure to shoot some HCG during cycle too. 200iu EOD is the best way to go… or you can just do 500iu EOD for a couple weeks in the middle of the cycle. Its important that you do this if you want your PCT to be successful.

For PCT you can sub Derma Sustain for the clomid/nolva and AI.

-Pp