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viczeva

viczeva

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hey guys,

im gonna do a 10 week , 300mg, test e cycle.

im having troubles with PCT though...

so far my pct is like this,
clomid at:
300mg day 1
100 mg day 2-9
50mg day 10-17
*is this enough?

nolva
20 mg ed day 1-17

ive been told i dont need the nolva, but im thinking of taking it anyways since i wanna keep my gains as much as possible. also, i am gonna have like 150 10mg nolva pills on hand just in case i see a little gyno. i dunno how my body will act to the test, so im preparing for the worst.

im gonna be taking arimidex at .25 ed to fight the bloat, but dunno if i should bump it up to .50 ed? whats best?
please guys, i really need some advice, im wanna make sure that i do this right and that i keep most of my gains. thanx for helping out!
vic
 
300mg/week is very light bro. You shoudn't bloat too much (if at all) on that amount.

PCT:
run the AI eod to counter the oestrogen receptors (stop gyno) all the way thru cycle

Drop the clomid
run 20mg nolv for 2 weeks after last shot
1000 i.u. HCG eod for 2 weeks

done.
 
iHulk said:
300mg/week is very light bro. You shoudn't bloat too much (if at all) on that amount.

PCT:
run the AI eod to counter the oestrogen receptors (stop gyno) all the way thru cycle

Drop the clomid
run 20mg nolv for 2 weeks after last shot
1000 i.u. HCG eod for 2 weeks

done.
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I agree with dropping the clomid.. alot of sides
 
iHulk said:
300mg/week is very light bro. You shoudn't bloat too much (if at all) on that amount.

PCT:
run the AI eod to counter the oestrogen receptors (stop gyno) all the way thru cycle

Drop the clomid
run 20mg nolv for 2 weeks after last shot
1000 i.u. HCG eod for 2 weeks

done.
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Sounds like solid advice....hell look at his avatar....enough said ( if it is him) :p
 
iHulk said:
300mg/week is very light bro. You shoudn't bloat too much (if at all) on that amount.
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yeah i know, dont wanna go to crazy on first cycle. so since i wont bloat much, keep the arimidex at .25 ed? or .50?

iHulk said:
PCT:
run the AI eod to counter the oestrogen receptors (stop gyno) all the way thru cycle

Drop the clomid
run 20mg nolv for 2 weeks after last shot
1000 i.u. HCG eod for 2 weeks
done.
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so run the arimidex during pct aswell?
run the hcg same time during nolva right?
only 2 weeks? read some articles recommending 4 weeks for pct... just wanna make sure im doing it right.

example:
Basic Nolvadex PCT:
Days 1 to 14: 40mg ED
Days 15 to 30: 20mg ED

thanx bro, apreciate the advice. k to u!
vic
 
Ulter said:
You should try AIFM for PCT.
I like HCG at 1000iu/day for the last week and then the clomid course you have written.
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So Ulter, you recommend HCG during the last week of a cycle, but not any further into the PCT???


So if you were going to add the AIFM to a PCT regimen, how exactly would you add it? My current PCT plan for my current cycle (which is week 1-4: 30mg tbol/30mg var, Week 5-10: 60mg var) is:

Week 1-6
50mg clomid + 20mg nolva per day
HCG 1000iu on M/W/F for first 3 weeks (if I can find the damn stuff and/or if AG guys introduces it in time)

So where/when/how much would u add the AIFM in there? Would I remove the nolva if I had the AIFM???

Thanks
 
viczeva said:
thank u all for hikacking my thread! (angry face), lol.
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sorry bout that man....here is whats suggested as the ultimate/standard PCT protocol:

2.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.

(courtesy of Jenetic on the PCT board)

Then hopefully somebody will chime in on how to include the AIFM in there.

peace
 
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koartist said:
sorry bout that man....here is whats suggested as the ultimate/standard PCT protocol:

2.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.


Then hopefully somebody will chime in on how to include the AIFM in there.

peace
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no prob bro, thanx for the help. it seems like alot of pct for a 300mg cycle. clomid, hcg and nolva and AIFM. lots of different views, im now more confused than when i first made this thread, lol. thanx guys, please keep giving me more advice. maybe some of the vets can chime in.
vic
 
I've only done mild compounds, so I've never included the HCG...yet. The addition of Tbol, and my plan to make it go 10-11 weeks makes me think I should include it this time, but we'll see. Just go with the 6 weeks of nolva @ 20mg per day at the very least (maybe 40mg a day to start out with), with maybe some otc stuff included (avena sativa, maca, zinc, tribulus, etc.)...sometimes that's all you need, and that's the ONLY part that you really HAVE to include...the hcg and clomid are somtimes/often thought of as "optional".
 
yeah, i dont think hcg will be needed for this one... i think ill just run clomid and nolva. then again, i like ihulk advice, so maybe hcg and nolva instead, since clomid has a few sides. crazy how pct is way more expensive than gear. need more input.
vic
 
clomid does have sides, in fact it is the only one out of nolva hcg and it that does. if your nuts shrink you need hcg imo. i never do a cycle without a decent amount of hcg for bringing the boys back to size.
 
i know what u mean... i think im gonna do ihulk's advice, but extend the nolva for an extra week. JUST IN CASE...

have two quick questions for you guys:
1. arimidex at .25 ed or .50?
2. im gonna have nolva on hand, but should i take 10-20mg ed just in case?

thanx guys, u rock!
 
"1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks. "
 
koartist said:
So Ulter, you recommend HCG during the last week of a cycle, but not any further into the PCT???


So if you were going to add the AIFM to a PCT regimen, how exactly would you add it? My current PCT plan for my current cycle (which is week 1-4: 30mg tbol/30mg var, Week 5-10: 60mg var) is:

Week 1-6
50mg clomid + 20mg nolva per day
HCG 1000iu on M/W/F for first 3 weeks (if I can find the damn stuff and/or if AG guys introduces it in time)

So where/when/how much would u add the AIFM in there? Would I remove the nolva if I had the AIFM???

Thanks
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Yes you won't need the HCG more than a week if you use 1000iu/day for ten days. Even seven days.
Then you'd add AIFM for 6 weeks. Add your clomid to taste.

Some people like to front load clomid and then use 100mg/day for a week then 50mg/day for the next week. That's not a bad plan. It's kind of fun actually.
 
viczeva said:
yeah i know, dont wanna go to crazy on first cycle. so since i wont bloat much, keep the arimidex at .25 ed? or .50?
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.5 eod should be fine but you'll know if you need to taper off or add more... only you will know -different for everyone so experiment

viczeva said:
so run the arimidex during pct as well?
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yes use either AIFM or liquidex

viczeva said:
run the hcg same time during nolva right?
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YES
viczeva said:
only 2 weeks? read some articles recommending 4 weeks for pct... just wanna make sure im doing it right.
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experiment -get bloodwork done

viczeva said:
example:
Basic Nolvadex PCT:
Days 1 to 14: 40mg ED
Days 15 to 30: 20mg ED

thanx bro, apreciate the advice. k to u!
vic
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I'm still sticking with my orginally post.
 
Ulter said:
Yes you won't need the HCG more than a week if you use 1000iu/day for ten days. Even seven days.
Then you'd add AIFM for 6 weeks. Add your clomid to taste.

Some people like to front load clomid and then use 100mg/day for a week then 50mg/day for the next week. That's not a bad plan. It's kind of fun actually.
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Just to be sure...u mean run the HCG during the last 7 days of the cycle? Or the first 7 days of pct??

And adding the AIFM eliminates the need for the nolva??
 
iHulk said:
.5 eod should be fine but you'll know if you need to taper off or add more... only you will know -different for everyone so experiment

yes use either AIFM or liquidex

YES
experiment -get bloodwork done

I'm still sticking with my orginally post.
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ok, im following your advice bro, but adding a week of nolva just in case. so...
week 12-14 1000iu eod hcg
week 12-15 20 mg ed nolva.

im gonna be running liquidex all through out the cycle at .5 mg. would i be advisable to run 10mg of nolva ed aswell? or should i ONLY run the nolva if i see gyno? im thinking better safe than sorry... is this dumb?

thanx bro, anybody else feel free to chime in.
vic
 
koartist said:
Just to be sure...u mean run the HCG during the last 7 days of the cycle? Or the first 7 days of pct??

And adding the AIFM eliminates the need for the nolva??
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What you should do is run the AIFM for at least as long as you're running the HCG (whenever you decide to run it)...maybe 1 week longer...this is to combat any estrogen increase caused by HCG's action on increasing test

A well-accepted PCT, for example, is:

Wks 1-3 HCG 1500 iu 3x's a week (or 500 iu ED)
Wks 1-4 AIFM (or Aromasin, since it doesn't interact negatively with Nolva)
Wks 1-6 Nolvadex 20 mg ED
(Maybe throw in some extra Vitamin E for Wks 1-3 to make HCG more effective)
 
viczeva said:
ok, im following your advice bro, but adding a week of nolva just in case. so...
week 12-14 1000iu eod hcg
week 12-15 20 mg ed nolva.

im gonna be running liquidex all through out the cycle at .5 mg. would i be advisable to run 10mg of nolva ed aswell? or should i ONLY run the nolva if i see gyno? im thinking better safe than sorry... is this dumb?

thanx bro, anybody else feel free to chime in.
vic
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at 300mg/week test I don't think you'll need the nolv during cycle if you use the AI at .5mg/day (but for if you are very sensative to test and you do feel signs of sides, like puffy nips - add the nolv)
 
thanx bro, ill buy some just in case then. now all i need to complete my cycle is the liquidex. k to u.

vic

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to iHulk again.
 
how does liquidex differ from arimidex. i know they both have the same effect, but do they differ in any way?
vic
 
viczeva said:
how does liquidex differ from arimidex. i know they both have the same effect, but do they differ in any way?
vic
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Same thing man, just arimidex is usually pills, and liquidex is of course in liquid form, and prone to tasting like complete ass, lol. (Unless liquidex isn't as foul as most of the other liquid products?)
 
and how does liquidex differ from AIFM? if im not mistaken, ulter mentioned it could replace nolva as pct. so does that mean that aifm is like a nolva+arimidex combo? hence, if i buy aifm i dont need to buy nolva?
vic
 
arimidex and AIFM are both aromatase inhibitors (actually "kills" the estrogen), I believe, while nolva is more of a breast tissue specific "gyno blocker" (doesn't actually kill the estrogen, at least not as much, but prevents it from causing gyno.)

That's about as "laymans terms" as it gets though, somebody else can probably explain a little better.
 
Ulter said:
AIFM is a suicidal aromatase inhibitor so it kills the aromatese instead of what Arimidex does by just inhibiting them. So it's stronger. Nolva is breast specific.
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So does nolva do anything "non breast specific"??? As in....does it actually lower estro levels, at least a little....rather than just "being there" to block estro effects on your breastuhsis? lol
 
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