PCT Help Needed

[nadr7891]

I've got about just over 4 weeks to go on the cycle in my signature and i'm thinking about PCT these days. The compounds i've used have been relatively mild except for the Test Prop but it's been used in pretty low dosages (250mg to 350mg per week).

I've already got some HCG on the way that i plan to use at 500iu EOD for about 17 days, starting in my last week of injections. i've had slight testicular atrophy (especially in my left one) so i think this realtively short duration of treatment will suffice. what do you guys think? and should i also use Nolvadex (on hand already)during the HCG period or will the Proviron i'm using work to prevent gyno?

now about Clomid use (on hand already). my thinking is that since i used mild compounds/low dosages that i could do the same with Clomid. i'm thinking 50mg ED for the first week and then 25mg ED for two more weeks, then done.

any suggestions? your help would be greatly appreciated. this is the first time i've come off a longer cycle using anything other than herbs (which i'll also be using here: Avena, Maca, Trib, etc).

Karma to all that help!

Nadr

 

[alltraps]

i always use hcg, ED for 10 days after last shot, then clomid, and nolva.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Your plan sounds solid, but I have not had any experience with atrophy. To me the500iuEOD for 17 days sounds a little long, but I never had atrophy so maybe EOD for 17 days is good for you. Yes you should have Nolva on hand in case you see gyno symptoms - even if you have Proviron have the nolva in case. I never exceed 500iu per day, and I take ED for 6-10 at the end of a cycle.

Good Luck.

The clomid plan sounds good. 50mg then 25mg for 2 weeks should be fine.

 

[scorpion_X]

One option:

10 - 14 days: Inject hcg 500iu everyday.
Place the hcg so that the LAST hcg shot is about 5 days before clomid therapy starts.

standard clomid therapy:
day1: 300 mg
day2-11: 100 mg
day12-21:50 mg


Second option: No Clomid

Week1: (Last week of primo)
500 iu hcg / day

Week2: 500 iu hcg / day

Week3: 500 iu hcg / every other day
Nolva 40 mg / day
(option: can also add proviron 25 mg / day)

Week4: Nolva 20 mg/day
(option: can also add proviron 25 mg / day)

Week5: Nolva 20 mg/day
(option: can also add proviron 25 mg / day)

 

[RAZOR67]

i run nolva right through pct and 1 week after to help with estrogen rebound when coming off

 

[nadr7891]

bump for more replies, please.

Nadr

 

[satchboogie]

nolvas is safer than clomid and equally as effective...
and there are numerous studies to confirm that.

 

[paul allen]

One option:

10 - 14 days: Inject hcg 500iu everyday.
Place the hcg so that the LAST hcg shot is about 5 days before clomid therapy starts.

standard clomid therapy:
day1: 300 mg
day2-11: 100 mg
day12-21:50 mg


Second option: No Clomid

Week1: (Last week of primo)
500 iu hcg / day

Week2: 500 iu hcg / day

Week3: 500 iu hcg / every other day
Nolva 40 mg / day
(option: can also add proviron 25 mg / day)

Week4: Nolva 20 mg/day
(option: can also add proviron 25 mg / day)

Week5: Nolva 20 mg/day
(option: can also add proviron 25 mg / day)

overkill on the clomid (and pretty much everything else). This was the consensus on how to do clomid this time last year. Things have changed. There have been numerous posts talking about the great recovery from a low dose clomid pct, and I can vouch for that. I like the 50mg to 25 mg. I've done it with 100mg day 1, then 50mg for week then 25mg, then 12.5mg. Worked really well. Maybe run some adex if you have it!

Agree with satch, that nol is meant to be as good, but I've never dared going without clomid.

 

[jonny jacked]

hcg is fine the way you have it. dont go any higher than 500iu (no need). also if your going to run the clomid wait until you have completed the hcg. - i think the dosages you have suggested would be sufficient. now many get bad sides from clomid and say nolvedex is a welcome change.

 

[nadr7891]

nolvas is safer than clomid and equally as effective...
and there are numerous studies to confirm that.

so what's the proper Nova dosage and length of administration?

Nadr

 

[satchboogie]

so what's the proper Nova dosage and length of administration?

Nadr

if my memort still servves me correctly, the studies i examined showed that 20mg nolva is as efficient as 100mg clomid.

with that in mind, 20mg a day should be sufficient.
40mg will most definitely be the maximum daily dose (for first week only).

 

[boardlizard]

HCG 500iu EOD? ED? I am in my 5th week of PCT and have been doing 500iu of HCG every 4th day. Plus 20mg Nolva ED. I have kept all my gains from a short 8 week cycle of Sust and Dbol(Thank gawd!!).

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

BL different people do the things differently. There is nothing wrong with your regimine of E4D if it works for you...rock on!!

 

[boardlizard]

[BL different people do the things differently. There is nothing wrong with your regimine of E4D if it works for you...rock on!!]

I agree. Also, I did not take into consideration of my short cycle compaired to a longer cycle. Or the difference in the effects of other AS stacks etc.

Sure is nice keeping the gains though and thats what we all want!

 

[muscleup]

if my memort still servves me correctly, the studies i examined showed that 20mg nolva is as efficient as 100mg clomid.

with that in mind, 20mg a day should be sufficient.
40mg will most definitely be the maximum daily dose (for first week only).

Satch, try to find that study bro...I would love to see that...Thanks

 

[JoBu]

So you're saying that Nolva can be used alone for PCT...as in without Clomid...and do just fine? Along with the HGC.

JoBu

nolvas is safer than clomid and equally as effective...
and there are numerous studies to confirm that.