PCT Forum/Jenetics PCT's: Outdated?

[KOArtist]

I was going to run a typical PCT after my var/tbol cycle by picking one of the 4 basic PCT's from Jenetics sticky in the PCT forum...but these days I seem to hear a lot of suggestions that aren't included in any of those PCT plans, such as:

-HCG for 10 days straight at the beginning of PCT, instead of the 3x/week for 3 weeks schedule

-Arimidex (or AIFM) included in the PCT, although I don't understand if this is inaddition to the nolva or REPLACES the nolva.

-What's the pros/cons of the 10 days of HCG straight vs. the 3x/wk for 3wks plan?

-If I decide to add adex or AIFM, does it replace the nolva? Reduce the nolva dosage? What dosage/dosing schedule would you use for the adex or AIFM???

My cycle consists of:

Week 1-4: 30mg Tbol/30mg var per day
Week 5-10: 60mg var/day

However, I felt I still might have been minorly shutdown from the cycle previous to this one, so I want to do an "ultimate" PCT, not just a light one geared towards milder cycles, as mine may appear.

Can anybody recommend the "ULTIMATE PCT" for me???

 

[steelmass]

My PCT is 10 days of 500 IU HCG ED the last 10 days of my cycle followed by Aromasin/Nolvadex @ 20mg and 40mg respectively.

I can't tell you exactly why without digging up alot of medical journals but this definitely is what is "trendy" right now and it definitely works for me.

 

[KOArtist]

So is Aromasin, Arimidex, and AIFM all "suicidal" aromatase inhibitors, or am I wrong on that one???

thanks for the suggestion bro....I should probably also add that I've been taking 20mg nolva/day to help out with my lipid levels, in case that changes anything due to a possible "nolva rebound" or anything.

thanks again, any and all suggestions/explanations/favorite pct plans much appreciated

 

[Bruce]

i always ran jenetics as well, now i am going to run hcg 10 days straight i think two weeks after my last shot. along with 20mg of nolva ed for 6 weeks and two sprays of aifm, and clomid 50mg ed for 6 weeks. the aifm is supposed to kick ass for pct

 

[macrophage69alpha]

So is Aromasin, Arimidex, and AIFM all "suicidal" aromatase inhibitors, or am I wrong on that one???

thanks for the suggestion bro....I should probably also add that I've been taking 20mg nolva/day to help out with my lipid levels, in case that changes anything due to a possible "nolva rebound" or anything.

thanks again, any and all suggestions/explanations/favorite pct plans much appreciated

aromasin and AIFM are suicidal inhibitors, arimidex (like letrozole) is a competitive inhibitor

 

[Bruce]

hey mac i just read an article saying aromasin is a great add for pct. will aifm be more effective than that

 

[maxpain]

aromasin and AIFM are suicidal inhibitors, arimidex (like letrozole) is a competitive inhibitor

Macro, layman's terms for us dummies.

I am confussed as to what is the best. Aromasin, Arimidex the AIFM? Shit, some say this, some say that. Hell, I know what has worked and still works for me. But damn if there is a better choice than my current one. Hell, I am all ears.

Really I am talking about using for HRT rather than a PCT.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

hey mac i just read an article saying aromasin is a great add for pct. will aifm be more effective than that

likely comparable... hard to say which is better (and likely thats going to depend on the person).

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Macro, layman's terms for us dummies.

I am confussed as to what is the best. Aromasin, Arimidex the AIFM? Shit, some say this, some say that. Hell, I know what has worked and still works for me. But damn if there is a better choice than my current one. Hell, I am all ears.

Really I am talking about using for HRT rather than a PCT.

best is a relative term. Generally most men will, especially on cycle, do better with aromasin and AIFM. if you need maximum estrogen suppression letrozole. If you need very little, arimidex.

suicidals, are that they suicide with the aromatase complex. Competitives stop hormones from binding (though the complex is intact and aromatase enzyme production is upregulated)-- hence there is risk of rebound (though the long half lives of dex and letro do compensate somewhat for this.

 

[maxpain]

best is a relative term. Generally most men will, especially on cycle, do better with aromasin and AIFM. if you need maximum estrogen suppression letrozole. If you need very little, arimidex.

suicidals, are that they suicide with the aromatase complex. Competitives stop hormones from binding (though the complex is intact and aromatase enzyme production is upregulated)-- hence there is risk of rebound (though the long half lives of dex and letro do compensate somewhat for this.

So with a 250 per week of test e. Arimidex would be better due to the low dosage?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

So with a 250 per week of test e. Arimidex would be better due to the low dosage?

again depends on the person. though lower dose aromasin or AIFM, will still be superior (from an anabolic standpoint). Since they lower SHBG.

 

[maxpain]

again depends on the person. though lower dose aromasin or AIFM, will still be superior (from an anabolic standpoint). Since they lower SHBG.

As ALWAYS good info. Thanks !!

 

[KOArtist]

i always ran jenetics as well, now i am going to run hcg 10 days straight i think two weeks after my last shot. along with 20mg of nolva ed for 6 weeks and two sprays of aifm, and clomid 50mg ed for 6 weeks. the aifm is supposed to kick ass for pct

That sounds about exactly what I was going to try bro:

-10 days straight of HCG (500IU) starting a few days after the var
-50mg clomid/day for 6 weeks
-20mg nolva/day for 6 weeks
-AIFM at 2 sprays/day for 6 weeks

Sound okay folks? Would I be doing anything "wrong" with the above dosages/schedule?

Should I maybe drop the nolva sooner than the AIFM to avoid any nolva rebound effects?

Thanks

 

[steelmass]

I like your dosing for sure - but I prefer to run HCG while I am still on AAS. I run it for 10 days starting 15 days before I am coming off. Then it has 5 days to clear and by the time I start PCT I do not have any HCG in me. Then Nolva/Aromasin-AIFM starts.

There is one thing wrong with it - Clomid shouldnt be used for 6 weeks. Drop it at week 3 but start your dosage at 300 1st day, then 150 then 100 for 2 weeks then 50 for 1 week.