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Kingwinny

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What do you guys recommend for PCT after a 12 week cycle + GH?

Here is my plan....
GH week 1-30
IGF-1 (Receptor grade) week 2-6
Primo@400mgs- week 6-16
Test E@150mg- week 6-16
Anavar@40mgs- week 10-18
Should I do HCG week 18?
Clomid &/or Nolva week 19-22 with or without GH?

If I use GH post cycle, will the Nolvadex & Clomid make the GH ineffective (lowering IGF-1)?

A)Should I just do PCT alone after 12 week cycle and then continue GH after PCT?
B)Should I do GH throughout PCT?
C)Skip PCT until I finish GH and run GH with 10mg dbol bridge for 6 weeks and hope I don't crash :-)

Any help or ideas would be appreciated.

Karma for some help....and I bet I have the most Karma power for someone with only 100 or so posts :-)

Kingwinny
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Kingwinny said:
What do you guys recommend for PCT after a 12 week cycle + GH?

Here is my plan....
GH week 1-30
IGF-1 (Receptor grade) week 2-6
Primo@400mgs- week 6-16
Test E@150mg- week 6-16
Anavar@40mgs- week 10-18
Should I do HCG week 18?
Clomid &/or Nolva week 19-22 with or without GH?

If I use GH post cycle, will the Nolvadex & Clomid make the GH ineffective (lowering IGF-1)?

A)Should I just do PCT alone after 12 week cycle and then continue GH after PCT?
B)Should I do GH throughout PCT?
C)Skip PCT until I finish GH and run GH with 10mg dbol bridge for 6 weeks and hope I don't crash :-)

Any help or ideas would be appreciated.

Karma for some help....and I bet I have the most Karma power for someone with only 100 or so posts :-)

Kingwinny
:king:

A) Would be my suggestion. Why? Cause to maximize PCT you should be free of all and any substances which may/will interfere with the HPTA recovery. Nolvadex, Proviron, Clomid, HCG, Arimidex all help in the recovery and therefore should be used to maximize the PCT.
After your PCT you can use GH as a bridge (if want to bridge), but would not use it with d-bol cause time off is time off in terms of recovery.

Good luck
 
hcg needs to be used to get your nuts going again, after start nolva 20mg ed clomid 300 100 50 stratagy. use gh through pct as it helps too. no i expect karma, and some gh as your title stated.
 
Myself.. I would use HCG at weeks 6, 12, and 17 at 500ius a day for ten days. Hit up clomid after the esters clear at 300mgs day 1, 100mgs day 2 -11, 50mgs day 12 - 21.
Thats how I would do it!
Good Luck
 
This is how my Dr. advices HCG. (Do not edit. This is not an ad for him. He no longer takes any new customers via the internet.


I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.
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Karma on the way to all, but some people missed my question.

I know how to use nolva, clomid, and HGC, I ain't a newbie, my question is......DO I RUN PCT AT THE SAME TIME AS I RUN GH? and why or why not?

If nolva & Clomid reduce IGF-1, it may be pointless to run GH for the first month post cycle. I might just start it up again a month after. But maybe GH will still be effective enough post cycle to help maintain gains from the cycle even if IGF-1 levels are lower.

I'm sure a ton of people on this board have done GH with a cycle. You obviously can't run a cycle as long as you did your GH so what did you do when you finished your cycle? PCT + GH ?

DR. JK- GH doesn't effect the HPTA so stopping it for that reason isnt valid. Karma 4 u anyway.

Any more input would be appreciated.

Kingwinny
:king:
 
i've used nolva and clo along w/ gh and it did NOT make the gh ineffective- you can run gh w/ pct and it should help keep your gains you made on cycle- just keep the protein really high, and maybe add low-dose slin after your workouts, and you might even gain some muscle off-cycle.
 
drl said:
i've used nolva and clo along w/ gh and it did NOT make the gh ineffective- you can run gh w/ pct and it should help keep your gains you made on cycle- just keep the protein really high, and maybe add low-dose slin after your workouts, and you might even gain some muscle off-cycle.

Thanks for the reply....I appreciate it....that was what I was leaning towards.

Karma to you.

Any other opinions?

:king:
 
Myself.. I don't like slin. I don't get added muscle from it... just a shit load of fat on my midsection that take twice as long to get rid of... that just me though.
 
yeah- you have to be real careful w/ slin in terms of fat gain- and a low dose goes a very long way- i find if i go over 10iu daily i start to get some fat accumulation, and i am naturally very lean
 
What do you guys recommend for PCT after a 12 week cycle + GH?

Here is my plan....
GH week 1-30
IGF-1 (Receptor grade) week 2-6
Primo@400mgs- week 6-16
Test E@150mg- week 6-16
Anavar@40mgs- week 10-18
Should I do HCG week 18?
Clomid &/or Nolva week 19-22 with or without GH?

If I use GH post cycle, will the Nolvadex & Clomid make the GH ineffective (lowering IGF-1)?

A)Should I just do PCT alone after 12 week cycle and then continue GH after PCT?
B)Should I do GH throughout PCT?
C)Skip PCT until I finish GH and run GH with 10mg dbol bridge for 6 weeks and hope I don't crash :-)

Any help or ideas would be appreciated.

Karma for some help....and I bet I have the most Karma power for someone with only 100 or so posts :-)

Kingwinny
 
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