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Pain and illness w/ chinese HGH (not IP)

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stryder

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I have been reading a lot of posts about HGH and it seems that the only time someone asks if it's normal to get redness and swelling/ soreness at the inj site they are using chinese HGH. I have just started my own chinese HGH cycle ( not IP) and I am getting similar symptoms and I ALWAYS feel tired and I even feel like I'm getting sick most of the time even though I'm not. I am taking no AS or other meds so it's just the HGH. I got this stuff directly from an American Doctor ( with perscription to avoid customs) who said it was the cheapest GH he knew of that was legit. It came packed in a styrofoam container on ice packs and had shipping and customs info right on the box from Shanghai. so Can anyone share their experiences here?
 
How much are you taking?
 
I'm taking 2iu morning 8am and 2iu early to mid afternoon ( between 1pm and 2:30pm) I have been trying to keep it early so as not to interfere with my natural HGH secretion but based on how tired I am I think somethings going on there. I thought Gh was supposed to invigorate you.
 
Personally I would take it all in the AM, especially if goal is to affect natural production as little as possible. To start with I would have done 2IU and worked up to 4IU. Last time I jumped right one 4IU I felt like shit as well, but when starting at 2IU and working up the sides arent there. As for the red lumps, I got them as well, but the GH did seem to work well.
 
that shit is trash. i ordered some from C.... B.... and it did the same thing for me. i was getting ready for a show and was fairly lean. when i used it i would get huge welts at the site. some as big around as a golfball and others would cover my whole thigh. They were good about replying to my emails until i asked about the swelling and never heard from them since. i wouldnt bother with them. yes its cheap but you can get it domestic for just a little more.
 
I agree with bringthapain here, the welts/swelling are normal for their product yes but that doesn't mean normal as in no problem for you. If your body is reacting to it like that then something just aint right. I mean what more evidence does one need to let you know it's not right? There's reasons the human body does things like that, reasons which you cannot ignore. My $.02 anyway.
 
stryder said:
I have been reading a lot of posts about HGH and it seems that the only time someone asks if it's normal to get redness and swelling/ soreness at the inj site they are using chinese HGH. I have just started my own chinese HGH cycle ( not IP) and I am getting similar symptoms and I ALWAYS feel tired and I even feel like I'm getting sick most of the time even though I'm not. I am taking no AS or other meds so it's just the HGH. I got this stuff directly from an American Doctor ( with perscription to avoid customs) who said it was the cheapest GH he knew of that was legit. It came packed in a styrofoam container on ice packs and had shipping and customs info right on the box from Shanghai. so Can anyone share their experiences here?
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This doesn't sound good bro. I have heard of others getting the red welts from Chinese hGH. What brand are you using? Was the hGH still cold on delivery? Ask your Doctor what percentage of patients have this type of allergic reaction.

There are several Chinese hGH manufacturer's/pharmaco's and therefore all Chinese hGH shouldn't be lumped together. Some people have no problems with the Chinese hGH.

You have mail.
 
JP@Ironology , "There are several Chinese hGH manufacturer's" ? could u make some comments on those China HGH manfacturers?
 
whats the best hgh for the money if you get it from your Dr ?
I'm will be going to my Dr. to try and get a script for it.
Also is there anything that I need to say or not say to the Dr.
Any help on this would be apreciated.
Thx
 
To answer a few questions:

I paid $480 "for this crap". I got 100iu's.

The name of the chinese company that makes it is Anhui Anke Biotech, the product was shipped directly from them to me.

I'm not sure how one would get THEIR doc to write a script for this, I met my doc here on elite so he was already down when I met him.

Good to see new responses on an older post, if any of you can "point" me toward a better product I would be interested in hearing more.

Stryder
 
stryder said:
To answer a few questions:

I paid $480 "for this crap". I got 100iu's.

The name of the chinese company that makes it is Anhui Anke Biotech, the product was shipped directly from them to me.

I'm not sure how one would get THEIR doc to write a script for this, I met my doc here on elite so he was already down when I met him.

Good to see new responses on an older post, if any of you can "point" me toward a better product I would be interested in hearing more.

Stryder
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stryder said:
To answer a few questions:

I paid $480 "for this crap". I got 100iu's.

The name of the chinese company that makes it is Anhui Anke Biotech, the product was shipped directly from them to me.

I'm not sure how one would get THEIR doc to write a script for this, I met my doc here on elite so he was already down when I met him.




You got screwed. Ankebio is my brand and they only charge $2.60/iu plus $35 shipping, so your cost should have been less than $300 total. Not only that, but you paid for a script that wasn't needed in the first place. Sorry. :(
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http://www.novonordisk.ie/view.asp?ID=98

As you can see on this link GH is produced during the day and during night. So a single AM injection will supress your GH. And second, before all the GH is released from a SC injection will take at least several hours. So the "single AM injection will not supress your own GH production" is CRAP!

My experience with chinese GH...
8 IU a day, 2 morning, 2 IU PM, 2 IU before sleep, 2 IU in the night.
Only side effect in the first two weeks was some fluid retention.
Results were not amazing...
 
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GOD_HERCULES said:
http://www.novonordisk.ie/view.asp?ID=98

As you can see on this link GH is produced during the day. So a single AM injection will supress your GH. And second, before all the GH is released from a SC injection will take at least several hours. So the "single AM injection will not supres your own GH production" is CRAP!

My experience with chinese GH...
8 IU a day, 2 morning, 2 IU PM, 2 IU before sleep, 2 IU in the night.
Only side effect in the first two weeks was some fluid retention.
Results were not amazing...
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Thanks for the feedback bro.!:)
 
kbrkbr said:
stryder said:
To answer a few questions:

I paid $480 "for this crap". I got 100iu's.

The name of the chinese company that makes it is Anhui Anke Biotech, the product was shipped directly from them to me.

I'm not sure how one would get THEIR doc to write a script for this, I met my doc here on elite so he was already down when I met him.




You got screwed. Ankebio is my brand and they only charge $2.60/iu plus $35 shipping, so your cost should have been less than $300 total. Not only that, but you paid for a script that wasn't needed in the first place. Sorry. :(
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Yeah, whats up with that. According to the price quoted by Anke its 2.60 and IU 100IU minimum. Shipped EMS, WITH a Reship guarantee if your GH gets seized.
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THere are lots of Chinese drug manufacturers. To group them all together and say, "that Chinese GH is shit" is just stupid!

We've been using Jintropin, made in China. No problems at all in the injection sites, at 4 IU/day. ANd it is definitely legit product. I'm having side effects I've never had on a cycle before (this is my first experience with GH) like numbness in my hands and feet and swelling there too--I can't wear any of my rings anymore. Oh well, these are normal sidesof GH. Those lumps and all sound fucked up.
 
FLmuscles said:
I'm having side effects I've never had on a cycle before (this is my first experience with GH) like numbness in my hands and feet and swelling there too--I can't wear any of my rings anymore. Oh well, these are normal sidesof GH. Those lumps and all sound fucked up.
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Oh, this is normal or abnormal? :confused:
 
Bro, you can get domestic GH for $450 ...

I have the same GH as stryder , I havnt started yet but im kickin myself in the ass. I hope it doesnt turn out bunk. Can You shoot me an email too?


Also, Some people dont react well to GH of any type. Their body attacks and breaks it down. In mainstream medicine these are the people who then are candidates for IGF-1

Thanks,
JWGS
 
Bro, some GH vials contain thiaminediphosphate instead of GH....
This causes lots of pain, and of course no results.
Here is the article in Dutch, sorry, it is too much work to translate:

Source:
http://www.angelfire.com/ab/ergo/uitslagen.html#somatohorm

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Somatohorm bevat thiaminedifosfaat, geen groeihormoon


Een groeihormoonpreparaat dat bij Ergogenics is binnengekomen bevat geen groeihormoon - maar wel een stof die hevige pijn na de injectie veroorzaakt. Dat blijkt uit onderzoek door een erkend laboratorium.


De onderzoekers zochten eerst in het monster naar eiwitstukken tussen de 5 en 200 kilodalton. Omdat ze die niet vonden konden ze uitsluiten dat de ampul, die eigenlijk vier eenheden GH zou moeten bevatten, de juiste actieve stof bevat. Het onderzoek vond plaats met behulp van de methoden SDS-PAGE en LC-MS.


Omdat de eigenaar van het preparaat hevige pijn had gekregen na injectie zochten de onderzoekers in de ampul verder naar toxicologische stoffen. Met de HPLC-DAD-methode vonden ze in de ampul een thiaminederivaat, dat bij nader onderzoek met de LC-MS-methode thiaminedifosfaat bleek te zijn, een variant van de vitamine B1 die echter niet voor injectie geschikt is. De geschatte hoeveelheid is 25 milligram per ampul. Omdat de onderzoekers al enkele bewerkingen met de ampul hadden verricht konden ze niet het exacte gehalte vaststellen.


Die stof veroorzaakte de pijn. Opgelost in water verlaagt thiaminedifosfaat de zuurgraad. Drie milligram van die stof in 1 millilter water laat de zuurgraad dalen tot een Ph van 2,2. Injectievloeistof, of je nu subcutaan (in het vetweefsel) of intramusculair (in de spier) injecteert, moet een Ph hebben tussen de 4 en de 9. Bij andere waarden zijn de injecties pijnlijk en sterven er weefsels rond de spuitplek af. Artsen spreken dan van necrose.


De onderzochte ampul komt uit Polen. De laatste tijd komt er ook veel Somatohorm uit Tsjechië.


Het is niet voor het eerst dat Somatohorm vervalst blijkt te zijn. De wereldgezondheidsorganisatie WHO kreeg in de periode 1999-2000 ook al een melding binnen van een vervalst preparaat, dat bij analyse geen actieve stoffen bleek te bevatten. In die periode rapporteerde de WHO ook de vondst van een ampul Serostim die vervalst leek te zijn - een een ampul Breeza Tech Human Growth Hormone waar geen somatropine in bleek te zitten, maar het veterinaire Methionyl equine somatotropine.(1)


Bron

1. WHO Pharmaceuticals Newsletter, No. 3, 2000. Counterfeit drugs: Data collection and the Liaison Officers network. [Link] Laatst bezocht op 8-1-2002.
 
Sigmund Roid,

Thiamine diphosphate is a Vitamin B1 analog. I suppose it is possible a source could try to pull a fast one with this stuff.

cocarboxylase [154-87-0]
Synonyms: cocarboxylase; Thiamine diphosphate; thiamin pyrophosphate; Vitamin B1 analog

Solubility in water 220 g/L (20C)
 
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