oxycodone vrs. hydrocodone and valium effect on GH

[WARBIRDWS6]

Ok, what is the big differences between oxycodone (percocet) and hydrocodone (lorcet)?? i know lorcet has acetaminophen in it which is bad. but otherwise, what are the differences in "effects" other than prescribed. and as for valium, at what dose does it promote GH release? and does it need to be taken daily? or split weekly?

 

[icelandic]

In a pure state, there is very little difference chemically between oxycodone and hydrocodone. Dosage guidelines are typically similar for each. Percocet will also have apap in it, the only oxycodone compound available that has no nsaid in it is oxycontin, if they still make it. Never take more than 1 gram of apap (even this is pushing it) in one sitting. Like most other nsaids, it is rather hard on the liver.

The gh releasing properties of diazepam are highly individual. One study I'm aware of comapared 5mg and 10mg orally with 10mg IV. 10mg both orally and iv increased serum gh concentrations in plasma to reach peak levels about 60 minutes after administration. Obviously, IV administration resulted in the highest level of stimulation. This "side-effect" usually subsides after several treatments, so I would not consider diazepam to be useful for any athletic purpose. In some patients, diazepam administation also increases serum cortisol and ATCH.

Both opiates and benzodiazapenes (with the possible exception of ambien, which really isn't a true benzo) offer little benefit to anyone intrested in strength training.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

cool. i was reading on it and they seemed similar...but oxy has a warning of addiction noted and hydro doesn't. other than that it seems 5mg/500mg per tab. i was looking into calmative's and valium seems to work the best. oxycodone makes me sleepy, and xanax makes me sleepy too (i do like xanax and kava kava for sleep). valium seems to make me a little buzzy and calms me down. so it is the best for me i suppose. but then i tend to be relaxed and start shit more easy. because i just say or do what i feel, being uninhibited and all. not really violent...but talking too much shit can lead to bad situations. whereas without something to calm me down, i want to kill everyone because i get pissed off at a pin dropping. so i don't know which is worse. i figured i'd ask on the valium since i thought it may have some beneficial effects other than the calmative effect. valium seems to last longer at say two 10mg split every 6 hours, vrs half an oxycodone every 6 hrs. oxy subsids rather quickly for me at least. heard about the GH studies on valium, so thought i'd ask. best bet is to avoid other people. but that is hard to do. lol. thanks.

 

[icelandic]

Both oxy and hydro are quite addictive, Brett Farve (sp?) was quite fond of vicodin which is a hydrocodone/apap formula. Yes there are quite a bit a studies looking at the gh response to GABAergic drugs. The results are inconsistent at best. Mild euphoria is listed as a clinical side effect of diazepam. Alprazolam is not noted for this, though it is quite abit more potent.

I would not get into the habbit of using an opiate as a sleep aid.... I tried this years ago after a motorbike accident. I had a very difficult time sleeping when my meds ran out.

 

[Thaibox]

Jesus, just imagine what it would be like if Warbird talked MORE shit.

I don't like regular valium usage because of the rapid adaptive response to it. The dosage goes up pretty quick if you're taking them everyday.

 

[icelandic]

I don't like regular valium usage because of the rapid adaptive response to it. The dosage goes up pretty quick if you're taking them everyday.

Very true, most people do build up a rapid tolerance to benzos and the widthdrawl can be horrific..... Better left alone imo (again, with the possible exception of ambien)[

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Jesus, just imagine what it would be like if Warbird talked MORE shit.

I don't like regular valium usage because of the rapid adaptive response to it. The dosage goes up pretty quick if you're taking them everyday.

shut the fuck up you big overblown motherfucker! i was thinking the same thing....the dose would need to be upped with prolonged usage. maybe using diff med everyday at normal doses....like oxyc one day, valium for a few days, then xanax if your at home and don't need to drive. something natural for while like 5-HTP (HEADACHES!!!!) and SAM-e. i'll try to stagger the usage of them, and for sure stay away from the oxy/hydro on the first 5 weeks of the next two cycles (50mg dbol on #1 and 50mg unimed's #2) i don't know though....xanax knocks me out nice....but i don't feel i really "need it". and i could use kava/valerian/5-HTP if i wanted time away from it. so i am cool with the moderation here as you can see. don't see any addiction problems arising. but who knows.

 

[tzan]

I too love valiums, but am scared of building up a serious tolerance for them. Since I already have a very addictive nature to begin with I try to limit myself to taking the valiums 2, 3 days at the most a week. I absolutely love the feeling it gives me though.

 

[Fe3]

best thing to do is stay away for all these. Keep using your kava tea. Addiction and withdrawl are not fun, and WILL ruin your life

 

[BullGod]

What is "Ativan"?? My Dr. prescribed it to me for fear of flying - he said it is "similar" to valium??

Is it liver toxic like the ones listed above??

I have not taken it yet since I have not had to fly - but I will next week

 

[icelandic]

Ativan is lorazepam. It is a shorter acting benzodiazipene. The difference between most benzos is their half-life. The reason valium has a lower potential for addiction is that its half-life in the body is up to 200 hours. Contrast this with ativan which has a half life of about 20-30 hours. Benzos do not have significant liver toxicity. The liver toxicity mentioned above was concerning NSAIDs, commonly found in prescription opiates in order to deter potential abuse.

 

[JoBu]

What kind of Kava products do we have in the US? I spent a ferw days in Fiji a couple years ago and was invited to partake in the real thing with some island locals...very interesting drug indeed. Whole mouth goes numb and makes you real chill. We spent hours drinking Kava and enjoying some local ummmm....agriculture :havoc:

JoBu

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

What kind of Kava products do we have in the US? I spent a ferw days in Fiji a couple years ago and was invited to partake in the real thing with some island locals...very interesting drug indeed. Whole mouth goes numb and makes you real chill. We spent hours drinking Kava and enjoying some local ummmm....agriculture :havoc:

JoBu

goto GNC and get the herbal plus Kava Kava (green bottle) with "concentrated" in yellow on it. its 1000mg kava kava root, from 250mg kavakava root extract 4:1. pretty potent. also you can get the liquid kava from the same company (its a GNC offshoot) and its 60mg's standardized for 55% kavalactones. i BELIEVE this is the more potent of the two. i know it numbs your tongue just as good as the jungle shit you took. lol. and tastes like shit. but valerian root smells like shit. lol. helps me sleep..take two droppers and a 1mg xanax and if it weren't for my dog waking me up to go pee-pee (or my own bladder just the same) i'd be in a coma for a half day i think. lol.

 

[icelandic]

If you enjoyed real kava kava in a pacific location, the shit sold at gnc and supermarkets will do absolutely nothing for you. You can order the pure root direct from fiji and/or hawaii and make your own extract with it. I promise you it will be so much more potent than the exatract capsules. BTW, there was a big study released earlier this year which suggested heavy long term kava use could result in liver problems.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

If you enjoyed real kava kava in a pacific location, the shit sold at gnc and supermarkets will do absolutely nothing for you. You can order the pure root direct from fiji and/or hawaii and make your own extract with it. I promise you it will be so much more potent than the exatract capsules. BTW, there was a big study released earlier this year which suggested heavy long term kava use could result in liver problems.

yeah they recalled them at my shop, and now the kava's have a big white label on them with the liver damage warning. but take enough of it and it will do you some good. its a potent extract. not like if your in the jungle with the natives...but what is nowadays? lol. hey ice...didn't know you were online, ch eck my oxycontin post if you can....thanks.