I'm prob one of the most ignorant on the board but I heard mention that there was more hair shedding on TBol's. Plus, does OT make the same 'safety' claims associated with Anavar. Safe for women and children, won't stunt growth, collagen synthesis etc? I like the idea of collagen synthesis a lot (Anavar supposedly presents it) Hook up a cool sucroe, or sucrose... however you spell that darn sugar. I'm interested in getting that legal sucrose powder to mix with some whey for when I get on either var/turnibol