Oxandrolone strength gains permanent?

[Vageta]

Assuming you haven't reached your genetic potential are the strength gains you make from an oxandrolone cycle usually permanent? Oxy is known for it's massive strength gains and modest LBM gains so I'm wondering how much of those gains are retainable. On a mass cycle using injectables like test you can keep most of your gains if you have a properly constructed post cycle plan. Using clomid, keeping calories high, etc... can help ensure you keep most of the gains.

Can the same be done for oxy? Seeing that most short cycles won't shut down HPTA there won't be much of a post cycle crash so as long as you don't go directly into a diet phase what are your chances of keeping the strength?

 

[power of juice]

bump

 

[pimpyist]

yep, pretty much. www.steroidworld.com look at the steroid rankings.

 

[DTOX]

I was just about to ask the same question about keeping strength-gains after a cycle.

BUMP

 

[Jeff_rys]

don't think so

i don't think you keep the strenght gains.
Maybe for a while, but doing 12 weeks of Ox and 12 weeks off, i think you will loose your strenght again.
Maybe taking creatine after the Ox will help keeping the strenght gains, but then it is best to take creatine together with the Ox.

 

[CerealKiller]

¨BUMP....is jeff right?

 

[Weam]

The inhibition of natural Testosterone production is the main reason for losing muscle mass, strength and endurance after cycles

while Anavar showed not to cause inhibition, therefor I think about 95% of gains will be kept including strength and endurance because there is no reason for losing gains.
Unless any vet here gave me a good reason

 

[Mike Pike]

i really wanna know about this too. Anyone know for a fact about this question and losing strength when off ox ?

 

[Suspension]

As soon as you stop taking anavar, you will lose a little strength, no matter what. Simply because the drug is not in your body anymore.

 

[bigrand]

This is a good question. Im wondering the same for all AAS. Which ones can you keep the most strength from? I understand that the drug is no longer present, but your body has somewhat adapted to the higher level of weight and will stay around there, right?
I hope so. (we arent talking strenght from water weight here either).

 

[Jeff_rys]

had this with Primo

after my last Primo cycle (600 mgr/week) i could keep the strenght for a while, but it did go away. I cannot say everything, but i sure was stronger while on it.
That's why i think it will be the same with Oxandrolone.
Maybe Fonz can give his advice on this. Afterall he did a short cycle (2 weeks) and took 150 mgr/day. His nuts (sorry Fonz) where getting smaller, so?
I would like to know too, since i planned to stay on Ox until september, if the liver can take it.

 

[harddtime]

bumping this up since i just started anavar at 40mg a day

 

[power of juice]

I am on the 11th day of anavar only at 50mg a day. So far I have seen good hardness in my muscles and good pumps, but nothing spectacular strengthwise yet. Hopefully soon.

 

[Squat]

bump.. interested

 

[Vageta]

Remember that strength gains that come from some steroids, particularly ones that cause water retention, are always going to subside a bit. The water gain caused by some steroids cause your muscles to hold a lot of water which alone will increase strength. When you come off the cycle you will lose the water and lose some of the strength.

I asked this question specifically because Oxy isn't supposed to cause any water retention at all therefore all strength gained during its use is from CNS adaption and possible LBM gains. Since there is no water to lose and no HPTA inhibition to worry about the gains should remain in theory. Of course you may be a little stronger while using the drug, so stopping its use might decrease your poundage a small amount. I'm just looking for a decent guess as to how much you get to keep. 90%? 75% etc...

 

[TxLonghorn]

I seem to recall 300kleen saying he kept around 80-90% of his strength. That is pretty substantial.

I think one problem you would have on a board like this, is when you say 'keep'. Most people are back on in 8-12 weeks anyways, so as soon as the strength starts to subside, they are back on another cycle.

Kind of like saying the gains are 'permanent'. I never really understood that. It's kind of like saying I dieted down, and the fat loss is permanent, so now no matter what, I will always see abs. It's not like that. As we get older, muscle is harder to keep on, so permanent is very relative. I guess it means you don't piss it out 2 weeks after you are off.

 

[slash747]

very well put TxLonghorn,

I agree, It has been about 5 months since I came off Anavar and this is what my strength stats on Chest and Biceps look like..

I was taking 14 * 5mg = 70mg/day my math sucks doucle check that..

Chest:
When I started the gym I was becnhing 135 about 10-12 times, and doing 60pound dumbell presses 10 -12 reps.

After being on the anavar for about 8 weeks I was doing flatbench becnhing 225 10-12 reps , and doing 90 pound dumbell presses 7-9 reps.

Biceps:
I was doing 70 pound preacher curls when I started ,
and after 8 weeks I was doing 95 preacher curls

5 months later
I am doing Bench 245 10-12 reps, 95 pound dumbell presses.
120 pound preacher curls 8-10 reps

 

[Ulter]

You will keep almost all your gains from oxandrolone. I have never know anyone male or female who didn't keep 80-90% of what they gained from it.

 

[Jeff_rys]

that's good to hear Ulter

and Slash, you even increased your power while being of tha Ox for 3 months. Impressive.

 

[athlete03]

So there's really no need for clomid in the post cycle phase of an Anavar only?

 

[Weam]

So there's really no need for clomid in the post cycle phase of an Anavar only?

I don't think that Clomid will be essential here

 

[Vageta]

Thank you slash for coming out of the woodworks. That is the exact type of info I'm looking for and it gave me the answer I was hoping to hear. If you're still reading would you comment on any LBM gains you made? If you did make some what was your calories like during the cycle?

And yes permanent is a subjective term. It's permanent so long as we support it, not guaranteed. What I mean by permanent in this case is something that is keepable if the proper guidelines are met. Gaining 40 pounds on a test cycle is not keepable if you don't instigate a well thought out post cycle plan. You must also keep your calories up to support that new muscle once your post cycle crash is over and you go back to normal.

Thankfully Oxy doesn't really have a post cycle crash so there isn't much to plan for other than perhaps having your liver checked and eating to support any new mass and strength you've acquired.

 

[ROIDRANGER]

this just makes me look forward to my upcoming TEST1250-1000MG/ANAVAR 30-70MG

 

[Eclipse]

Bump

 

[bigrand]

Bros;
Whatabout strenght gains from fina and test? Do most of those stay too? If not, whats the % loss we are looking at here?