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goatclone

goatclone

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AGE:22
HEIGHT:72"
WEIGHT:165
BODY FAT: Almost none (need a tape)
OTHER: I have never had an ounce of fat on my body, always looked pretty cut even when not working out. Will this be advantage when on cycle?
GOAL: Gain Muscle Mass/ Would love to get up to 190-200lbs straight muscle! Is this possible?

As far as my diet goes i try to eat around 4-6 meals a day. I drink protein shakes between those meals and sometimes substitute when time is tight. My daily goal is around 4000 calories a day although sometimes its hard.

I have about 4 years gym experience but would consider my recent attempts the most productive. I work out pretty hard in the gym and people already look at me like im on juice. I guess because of my face naturally gets red as a
beat when i do any kind of intensive work. My workout intensity and motivation are through the roof. And i guess because of my low BF percentage my veins pop out pretty bad. I can post some pictures if ne one wants them to give me advise on areas i should work on. This would be greatly appreciated.

The main reason for my choice in the use of AS is not simply because i am impatient but i am deployed to Afghanistan right now and have all the time in the world. I feel that i will get the best results on a cycle at this time.

What im looking for is any advice that can be given. From the basics of how i should stack this cycle to how i should change my workout program. Any and all advise that can be compiled into a post give it to me. Knowledge is power right!

First off i ordered my gear from two different sources. May not have been the best of choices but originally i only intended to go with oral only cycle.

So from the first source i ordered:
100/5mg Tabs of Naposim Dianabol.

The other source was AS. From them i ordered:
20ml Test E
20ml Liquid Dianabol
2/20ml Nolvadex

I also ordered more than enough 3ml 23g 1" Syringe/Needle combos
Also got some 18g needles for pulling gear out of satchet.
Will it be ok to pre-load 3ml syringes? Seems like this may be easier to keep gear sterile. If not i can order 20ml vial/syringe. Let me know about this.

Ok thats it! I realize i may have ordered a little too much dianabol for this cycle but i had to meet the 99 minimum order. I was also scared that if i didnt get tabs from my first source i would be stuck with nothing but the test.

I understand that HCG is definitely good to have for testicular atrophy. But its so expensive. Wondering if you guys think this is a must have or what?

Ok i gave you guys the info. Let me know suggested dosing and everything in between. Definitely need good pct advise. Tell me im a dumbass and i ordered a shitty cycle if thats the case.

Submitted a Pic for advise!

Thanks for all the help
 
I recommend you keep your gear in a presealed sterile vial you can get really cheap from www.getpinz.com.fuck keeping your gear preloaded in pins for months,yeah people do it,but I'm concerned about the gear having an effect on the insides of the pin itself.

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - isn't expensive at all bro,it's only $25 for 5,000 iu's which is in effect enough for one post cycle therapy session.
you can get it here
http://www.hcg5000.net/index.shtml


week one through 10 - 250mgs testosterone enanthate a week

since it's your first cycle I highly recommend that you start at a low test dose,that way you can see how you react to androgens in general.and run one compound only,that way your sides will be less and post cycle therapy will be a helluva a lot easier.save the dianabol for your second cycle.

chances are your nuts won't shrink @250mgs of test a week so HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - I doubt will be needed at all for your first cycle.if they do shrink then right after your last shot of testosterone inject 500ius a day for 10 days straight.10.5 days after your last injection of testosterone start dermacrine sustain and run it for an entire month.

@only 250mgs a week I doubt that you will have to use any clomid or nolvadex either.
best of luck to you bro
 
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Hey really good advise hyp1, appreciate the quick reply and source for hcg. Hey keep posting guys im looking for any and all opinions.
 
be sure and increase your protein intake,train heavy but with clean form,and get a lot of rest to grow as much as possible

glad I could be of help bro

best of luck with your first cycle :)
 
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If you want to get up to 190+ pounds, you'll surely do it with dianabol. But just be aware that dianabol will bloat you like a fish and all the a-dex in the world won't keep it low enough that it won't look like your gaining fat or on steroids to those who know you but not know you are on the juice.

Dbol not only put water on me, but it put fat - fat that is very hard to get rid of. Personally, I will never use dbol again from what it did to me and to other people I know (and yes I was eating right). I would stick to test, eq, primo, var, deca, etc for good growth gear. You're gonna lose most of what you put on with the dbol, so I see it as pointless anyways..Just becareful and start off the dbol 15-20mgs a day and watch how you start to grow and adjust your mgs after the first week.

gl
 
For 1: I have always been very lean as well. Very fast metab. like I sense in you, hence the 165 lbs. So, Increase and keep track of your calories to 5,000/day minimum to reach your goals. Stop, read that sentence again above. Calories, Calories are key in bulking. Don't listen to people saying you'll turn fat, thats bullshit, that means THEY are fat. They're just hating. Our body types need a ridiculous amount to grow. For instance, ONE DAY/week I do what I call FAT FUCKING FRIDAY:

*Wake up*--5 eggs (boiled), bagel with cream cheese, fatty bacon, glass of OJ, and some oat meal. 1 hour later CALORIE shake of 750 calories.--about 2000 calories

*lunch*---Big Mac {540 calories}or Large pizza double meat, large fries {570 cals}, large Coke, some fruit. Some type of FAT FUCK dessert. -- about 2000 calories. 1 hour later, another 750 calorie shake. Total about 3k cals.
*dinner*--- A huge Ribeye Steak, salad with eggs, twice baked potatoe, cottage cheese.
*bed* Another Calorie shake

You want to look like a monster, you must eat like one. People that tell u to eat clean all the time have vaginas, and are, behind door dick takers.

Obviously, like I said before, this is a sample I do only 1 OR 2 times/ week during bulking. Most other days I eat tons of eggs, tuna, sushi, chicken breast, steaks, yogurt, cottage cheese, potatoes, and fruit. I shoot for 5k every day though. I always have calorie shakes throughout days when very busy. YOU MUST EAT. Fuck juice. Get a pen a paper and make a shopping list.

Our body types (Fast metab., lean) need food. Much easiar to loose the weight and shredd up. That soooooooo easy for me. I can do that blind folded while beating off with both hands and playing table tennis with Forrest Gump.

Lastly, you only have one first cycle. DO IT BIG. Shoot for the stars, as it becomes harder to grow down the road. I suggest 500mg test Cypionate/wk and 400mg deca or 600mg EQ/wk.

Big Diet+ smart gear selection+good form training+rest= HUGE GAINS!!

GOOD LUCK
 
fat fucking friday sounds like an interesting adventure! impressing the importance of calories...good stuff

As usual HYP is right fucking on, it couldn't be said any better
 
Haha i do something similar as well. And yes if you wanna be am onster you must eat like one. I was stuck at 165 and i started eating and training like a monster and welp im now 185 and i actually lost bf and i kept all natural. So before you try gear try and get a hella hella good base going. 200lbs natural isnt that hard to get it if you work hard. I wanna use a cycle to get to like 230-240.
 
Just becareful and start off the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 15-20mgs a day and watch how you start to grow and adjust your mgs after the first week.
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So your suggesting doing this the entire cycle along with the test e or just the first couple weeks?

Lastly, you only have one first cycle. DO IT BIG. Shoot for the stars, as it becomes harder to grow down the road. I suggest 500mg test Cypionate/wk and 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - or 600mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - /wk.
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Already purchased the gear i listed above. Any advice on optimizing this cycle?
Thanks for all the info i totally agree on the calories.

Keep the advice coming people trying to get as much advice as possible.
 
macemj said:
For 1: I have always been very lean as well. Very fast metab. like I sense in you, hence the 165 lbs. So, Increase and keep track of your calories to 5,000/day minimum to reach your goals. Stop, read that sentence again above. Calories, Calories are key in bulking. Don't listen to people saying you'll turn fat, thats bullshit, that means THEY are fat. They're just hating. Our body types need a ridiculous amount to grow. For instance, ONE DAY/week I do what I call FAT FUCKING FRIDAY:

*Wake up*--5 eggs (boiled), bagel with cream cheese, fatty bacon, glass of OJ, and some oat meal. 1 hour later CALORIE shake of 750 calories.--about 2000 calories

*lunch*---Big Mac {540 calories}or Large pizza double meat, large fries {570 cals}, large Coke, some fruit. Some type of FAT FUCK dessert. -- about 2000 calories. 1 hour later, another 750 calorie shake. Total about 3k cals.
*dinner*--- A huge Ribeye Steak, salad with eggs, twice baked potatoe, cottage cheese.
*bed* Another Calorie shake

You want to look like a monster, you must eat like one. People that tell u to eat clean all the time have vaginas, and are, behind door dick takers.

Obviously, like I said before, this is a sample I do only 1 OR 2 times/ week during bulking. Most other days I eat tons of eggs, tuna, sushi, chicken breast, steaks, yogurt, cottage cheese, potatoes, and fruit. I shoot for 5k every day though. I always have calorie shakes throughout days when very busy. YOU MUST EAT. Fuck juice. Get a pen a paper and make a shopping list.

Our body types (Fast metab., lean) need food. Much easiar to loose the weight and shredd up. That soooooooo easy for me. I can do that blind folded while beating off with both hands and playing table tennis with Forrest Gump.

Lastly, you only have one first cycle. DO IT BIG. Shoot for the stars, as it becomes harder to grow down the road. I suggest 500mg test Cypionate/wk and 400mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - or 600mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - /wk.

Big Diet+ smart gear selection+good form training+rest= HUGE GAINS!!

GOOD LUCK
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Dude,it's his first fucking cycle,i think 500mgs is overkill.he doesn't even know how well he's going to respond to gear in general.250mgs a week and if eats correctly,and trains correctly that on a first cycle will make him grow like a weed.

suggesting cypionate,Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise for a first cycle is seriously retarded(no offfense),for a 3rd or 4th cycle that would be applicable but for a beginner that's way out of line.if he has any sides he wouldn't know which compound was causing it,and wouldn't know which one to cut back on or which one to increase.his sides @those doses would be hell compare to a 250mgs of testosterone first cycle starter,not to mention his post cycle therapy would be a helluva lot harder.

what people need to remember is training hard with clean form,eat well but clean,and getting plenty of rest.gear isn't the key to getting huge....it's all of those things i've stated also.

eat dirty and you will get fat as fuck.bodybuilding bodies aren't built on fuckers eating everything in sight,and for the record I don't sport a vagina or take dick you posing fucking wannabe hollywood b rated movie star.
 
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250mgs a week and if eats correctly,and trains correctly that on a first cycle will make him grow like a weed.
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So just one inject of 250mg a week. How many weeks?
Also when should i start dianabol and when should i end it?
PCT also? I already have nolvadex, what else should i have on hand?
Just lay out your suggested cycle hyp1.
 
week one through 10 - 250mgs testosterone enanthate a week(one shot a week)

stick with one compound your first cycle,you will thank yourself for it post cycle

*repeated from my original post

since it's your first cycle I highly recommend that you start at a low test dose,that way you can see how you react to androgens in general.and run one compound only,that way your sides will be less and post cycle therapy will be a helluva a lot easier.save the dianabol for your second cycle.

chances are your nuts won't shrink @250mgs of test a week so HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - I doubt will be needed at all for your first cycle.if they do shrink then right after your last shot of testosterone inject 500ius a day for 10 days straight.10.5 days after your last injection of testosterone start dermacrine sustain and run it for an entire month.

@only 250mgs a week I doubt that you will have to use any clomid or nolvadex either.
best of luck to you bro
 
hyp1 said:
week one through 10 - 250mgs testosterone enanthate a week(one shot a week)

stick with one compound your first cycle,you will thank yourself for it post cycle

*repeated from my original post

since it's your first cycle I highly recommend that you start at a low test dose,that way you can see how you react to androgens in general.and run one compound only,that way your sides will be less and post cycle therapy will be a helluva a lot easier.save the dianabol for your second cycle.

chances are your nuts won't shrink @250mgs of test a week so HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - I doubt will be needed at all for your first cycle.if they do shrink then right after your last shot of testosterone inject 500ius a day for 10 days straight.10.5 days after your last injection of testosterone start dermacrine sustain and run it for an entire month.

@only 250mgs a week I doubt that you will have to use any clomid or nolvadex either.
best of luck to you bro
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Weak. You might really be a behind door dick taker. Not a big deal.
Also, I'm a C lister bro. The B rated hollywood wannabe was generous though.

Lastly, listen to hyp., he's giving you correct advise. I'm compulsive. When I was very young I did a test only low dose cycle. I didn't know half the shit I do now, so, he's right. But, for the experienced seasoned natural I would not ammend my suggested componds. Str8 up. If I could go back to my first cycle (knowing what I do now about gear) I would have run multiple injectables for it. The first 20lb improvement is the hardest. Go big or Go HOme.

Are you gonna stick your little toes in the water to see if its too cold to get in the pool? OR are you going to do a fucking cannon ball in the deep end and splash the pussy's by shallow ladder?
 
macemj said:
Weak. You might really be a behind door dick taker. Not a big deal.
Also, I'm a C lister bro. The B rated hollywood wannabe was generous though.

Lastly, listen to hyp., he's giving you correct advise. I'm compulsive. When I was very young I did a test only low dose cycle. I didn't know half the shit I do now, so, he's right. But, for the experienced seasoned natural I would not ammend my suggested componds. Str8 up. If I could go back to my first cycle (knowing what I do now about gear) I would have run multiple injectables for it. The first 20lb improvement is the hardest. Go big or Go HOme.

Are you gonna stick your little toes in the water to see if its too cold to get in the pool? OR are you going to do a fucking cannon ball in the deep end and splash the pussy's by shallow ladder?
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you're lucky to be an unseen extra that had to suck cock on a casting couch just to even be on the set.you do have a great sense of humor,although give truly shit advise for beginners.actually the first 20lbs is the easiest you will ever gain(given you have proper training and diet)that's why moderation and common sense is so important during your first cycle.

fuck I'm still trying to clean up my diet,clean eating isn't always the easiest thing to do.it's best to keep a clean diet so you won't have to try and get rid of the un needed fat you put on when eating dirty.

with a lighter cycle you will be able to keep most if not all of your hard earned gains,instead of blowing the fuck up with water retention and then shriveling back up(with your entire natural testosterone production dead in the fucking water)

fuck the overkill(aka bullshit cannon ball)
 
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hyp1 said:
you're lucky to be an unseen extra that had to suck cock on a casting couch just to even be on the set.you do have a great sense of humor,although give truly shit advise for beginners.actually the first 20lbs is the easiest you will ever gain(given you have proper training and diet)that's why moderation and common sense is so important during your first cycle.

with a lighter cycle you will be able to keep most if not all of your hard earned gains,instead of blowing the fuck up with water retention and then shriveling back up(with your entire natural testosterone production dead in the fucking water)

fuck the overkill(aka bullshit cannon ball)
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hah. lmfao about the overkill aka cannon ball.

I didn't mean its the hardest 20lbs; I meant its the most IMPORTANT to keep hence "the hardest". My thinking is the big results are so vulnerable to a virgin user, so, why not take FULL advantage along with proper precautions (anti aromo's, pct, ect.)? All of this assumes they (newb) understands and values the importance of such products, procedures, and everything else that goes along with a seasoned gym mind.

Maybe I am out of line addressing the beginners with such carelessness. But, I firmly beleive if your going to take AS you shouldn't waste your time with 250 mg/wk. I don't see the value in taking anything at such low doses just to see.

If nothing at all, atleast I got a new nickname...."Cannonball" lol
 
any1 know legits sources got played hard from my guy need a new 1
 
So lets say i did decide to use both compounds what would my dosage be for each compound. Also what kind of pct would i need.
 
macemj said:
hah. lmfao about the overkill aka cannon ball.

I didn't mean its the hardest 20lbs; I meant its the most IMPORTANT to keep hence "the hardest". My thinking is the big results are so vulnerable to a virgin user, so, why not take FULL advantage along with proper precautions (anti aromo's, PCT - post cycle therapy - , ect.)? All of this assumes they (newb) understands and values the importance of such products, procedures, and everything else that goes along with a seasoned gym mind.

Maybe I am out of line addressing the beginners with such carelessness. But, I firmly beleive if your going to take AS you shouldn't waste your time with 250 mg/wk. I don't see the value in taking anything at such low doses just to see.

If nothing at all, atleast I got a new nickname...."Cannonball" lol
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bro,you would be surprised at how much a beginner can grow off of 250mgs a week with proper training and diet.hell he doesn't even know how his body is going to react in the first place.some people are seriously prone to gyno,water retention,hair loss and acne while others aren't.by running one compound at a time he will at least have an idea how he's going to react and can treat any sides immediately because he will know precisely which compound is causing it.keeping your gains from your first cycle can be SERIOUSLY easy if you just stick to one compound and don't literally kill your fucking natural testosterone production by introducing shitloads of different ones all at the same time(without knowing how you respond to gear in general,that's completely insane)

I agree he should be educated on serms,ai's,correct steroid cycles and post cycle therapy so he can do it right this cycle and the next ones he's planning to run.he needs to learn how to crawl before you have him busting his fucking ass in a 20k marathon without any water.LOL
 
goatclone said:
So lets say i did decide to use both compounds what would my dosage be for each compound. Also what kind of PCT - post cycle therapy - would i need.
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well for post cycle therapy you would need a fucking straight jacket for not listening to a goddamned word I've said.
 
rangers87 said:
any1 know legits sources got played hard from my guy need a new 1
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yeah the 'roid store fucking rocks
they need your level of mental aptitude for clients
 
holy ghost said:
agreeed ^^

quit talkin about big mac your makin a nigga hungry !!
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LOL!!!
 
goatclone said:
Hyp so your saying for testosterone enanthate cycle dont worry about PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - or just nolvadex or what?
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posted for the 3rd time

week one through 10 - 250mgs testosterone enanthate a week(one shot a week)

stick with one compound your first cycle,you will thank yourself for it post cycle

since it's your first cycle I highly recommend that you start at a low test dose,that way you can see how you react to androgens in general.and run one compound only,that way your sides will be less and post cycle therapy will be a helluva a lot easier.save the dianabol for your second cycle.

chances are your nuts won't shrink @250mgs of test a week so HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - I doubt will be needed at all for your first cycle.if they do shrink then right after your last shot of testosterone inject 500ius a day for 10 days straight.

10.5 DAYS AFTER YOUR LAST INJECTION OF TESTOSTERONE START DERMACRINE SUSTAIN AND RUN IT FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH. (that will be your post cycle therapy,entirely)

@only 250mgs a week I doubt that you will have to use any clomid or nolvadex either.
best of luck to you bro
 
this guy should have no problem gaining 20 lbs on 250 mg/week. he's 6 foot and only 165. lots of room for growth. hell I gained 15 lbs on my first cycle of 250 mg/week for 8 weeks of sus. and i was 5'9" 182lbs before I started. And I was only taking in 3500 cals/day. Personally I think he should eat like a madman and wait another year or so but I think he's already made up his mind to take the plunge. Good luck and hope you have good results.
 
Sorry for the post repeats hyp lol. I didnt see the part about the DERMACRINE SUSTAIN im gonna check that out. Is that inject or pill or what? Ill google it.
 
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