Oral Tren and Bold(Equipoise)

[jake73]

Been recearching a bit further and looking for some milder(in words of sides) aas which can help me my endurance and strength by increasing vacularity, get stronger and harder muscles. Decrease BF along with it if possible.
Massive gains are not my main goal.
Already came to the conclusion when wanting to do it right, at some time I should inject,
not wanting to take several oral 17aa's at a time.

So I came across oral Tren (100x250mcg) and Bold (200mg/ml).

Follow questions came to mind:
- Would these 2 go well together? (to me it seems to be there are not contradictions)
- What would be a decent cycle? (keeping in mind it would be the first aas cycle)
- Is Tren Cough only injectable related or will the oral also trigger it?
- As Tren is said to be mildly toxic to the liver, could Winstrol or Anavar be added to a cycle
and what would be a safe amount of mg?


Ciao
Jake

 

[jake73]

....and also how should the PCT look like?
Clomid and Nolva, or maybe something different?

as for the endurance. I mean sprint endurance, explosiveness and force.

 

[JGFN]

When you say oral tren, are you referring to methyltrienolone? If so, where did you hear it was "mildly toxic"? Bill Roberts said it was worse than stacking high doses of Anadrol and Halo together.

 

[JGFN]

And even if it weren't toxic, not many people are going to recommend three substances for a first cycle... especially if one of those three is tren.

 

[jake73]

Yes it is methyltrienolone.
Oaky, I might have missinterpreted from what I'v read, but the below it is not saying it is as toxic as you state. (did not read the Bill Roberts piece)

Quote
Oral Tren can be liver toxic and users should keep usage of this product to reasonable dosages and time frames. Typically 1-2 (250mcg) tablets of Oral Tren for two to three weeks.
Unquote
Taken from GP oral Tren profile.

So if it is that toxic stacking Winstrol would be a definate NO NO.

Besides that.
How about the other questions?

 

[joe d]

give me your stats and i will lay out a good cycle for you.

age, height, weight, bf%, years training

 

[jake73]

Just read some interesting stuff about the oral tren. Better to stay away indeed. Came to it after reading gooed things about Trenbolone, but the injectables are kind of pricy.
Although "mild" in words of sides. But highly liver toxic according to the French manufacturor.

@ Joe D

My stats;
weight 84Kg (184lbs)
height 175cm
age 35
BF 18%
started trainings at 15y complimantairy to my sport(ice skating - sprint). Last year was very slow for me because I had no time/energy to go to the gym. Muscles mass and hardness decreased and got fatter due to stress and loving Italian dishes. Haha.
Started going at it again some 4 months ago. Dropped my BF from 25% to 18% on diet and training alone. (nipps are still a bit puffy ) Want to at least get back to my old % of 13.
Would like to do a first cycle. Not to complex and sticking to the safer side(so not to much PCT is needed), cycling max 2 months at first.
As said main goal, increase power, hardness, sprint endurance and lean back.

Was thinking of dropping the oral Tren and go for EQ with Winni or Var.
Or save up a bit more and do Tren injectable.

If any other sugestions I am all ears.
Thanks for the help.

 

[joe d]

50mg var ed for 6-8 wks
25mg clomid e3d throughout the cycle

pct starts same day as last var dose
1-4 ephedrine 30mg ed
wk 1-3 nolva 40mg ed
wk 3-4 nolva 20mg ed

 

[jake73]

This would be VAR only cycle then? (50mg for 8 weeks would about add up to 200 USD).
I have read quite a few post with mixed reviews on VAR only. Always thought it would be better to stack it.

Why that much Clomid and Nolva? Is it for the suppresion of LH and SHBG?
And why Clomid during. Thought it was always used POST cycle.

Thanks so far.

 

[justinCanada]

dont do oral tren..its real real hard man..gowith injects

 

[JGFN]

I can't believe the "WHERE'S THE TEST!? NO TEST, NO CYCLE!!" brigade hasn't showed up yet.

 

[joe d]

This would be VAR only cycle then? (50mg for 8 weeks would about add up to 200 USD).
I have read quite a few post with mixed reviews on VAR only. Always thought it would be better to stack it.

Why that much Clomid and Nolva? Is it for the suppresion of LH and SHBG?
And why Clomid during. Thought it was always used POST cycle.

Thanks so far.

var only is a great cycle. it is perfect for your goals. clomid at that dosage on cycle will do no harm but it will work great at fighting shut down. the nolva is pct. its not a lot. if you run a good otc pct like the pp trs you could knoct the dose down to 20mg ed then 10mg at the end but i think you will be fine with the nolva. the ephedrine is also a good anabolic supporter along with its ability to help you get/stay lean it would be a great addition to the nolva for pct.

there are plenty of people who say dbol only sucks and var only sucks. i think they just didnt know what they where doing when they tried it. you can run 5g of gear for 6 months and not gain shit other than a bad heart and liver. or you could run 400-500mg and gain 30 lbs in a couple months. its all up to you.

 

[jake73]

@ Joe D
Thanks man. great help.