Oral-only stack

[klmsu19]

Ok i know ill catch crap for this but I cant do needles, for medical reasons so ts just not an option for me, but Im looking at starting some orals. My options to stack together are: dbols, winny tabs, and clen tabs. The dbols are 10mg, winnys 10 mg and clen are .04mg. There are a few more orals they offer but no clue what they are. Whats a good oral stack and dosage? Im 25 male bout 5'9 and 180 pounds just looking to gain more muscle mass. I have a pretty good eating schedule and takeprotein and all that good stuff. Just need some advice on a good stack and amounts so I can make my order.

O and of course im getting some novladex

 

[Ulter]

You are too small to be using steroids.
You need to put on some more mass naturally.
You need to drop the idea of using oral steroids to build a cycle out of. They are used to enhance a cycle.

Okay? So here's what will happen.
You'll ignore me.
You'll use the oral steroids.
You'll get bigger.
6 months later you'll be the same size you are now.
Cortisol will probably make your joints hurt more.

 

[Ulter]

Sorry. I write that so many times a day that I now have it on textpad so I can copy and paste it.
Edit too small

 

[rakasha681]

Ok i know ill catch crap for this but I cant do needles, for medical reasons so ts just not an option for me, but Im looking at starting some orals. My options to stack together are: dbols, winny tabs, and clen tabs. The dbols are 10mg, winnys 10 mg and clen are .04mg. There are a few more orals they offer but no clue what they are. Whats a good oral stack and dosage? Im 25 male bout 5'9 and 180 pounds just looking to gain more muscle mass. I have a pretty good eating schedule and takeprotein and all that good stuff. Just need some advice on a good stack and amounts so I can make my order.

O and of course im getting some novladex

What sort of medical reasons could you have for not being able to use an injectable? The only thing i can think of would be any sort of blood clotting disorder, so if you stick yourself, youd bleed all over... but that sort of medical problem wouldnt mix well with aas... high blood pressure mixed with no clotting == very bad if you get a papercut.

If you took the dbols, sure, your going to gain some mass... probably 25 lbs in 4 weeks... you will looked jacked. Only one problem, soon as you stop taking them, everything will fall back to where it was. You will get depressed that you lost all your gains, and you will do it again, vowing to do it right this time... but the same thing will happen... and will keep happening untill your liver dies.

Listen to Ulter, he knows what hes talking about, do some more growing naturally, then do some research, and stack your dbols with some test to solidify the gains.

 

[thelion2005]

Ulter speaks the truth. The sides can be terrible for a young man especially hair loss.

If you must go this oral route, here are my comments based on my personal experience:

dbol - take 10 mg with each of three main meals. 8 weeks on and 8 weeks off. In ancient times, dbol was King.
or
tbol - same. It will act slower.
or
anavar - same. It will give you a strength boost primarily.

Do not stack them. Drink extra water and train with the basics at 5-6 reps. 9 hours of sleep per day.

Buy only in sealed packages from major producers like BD.

These drugs will tip your cholesterol , liver and PSA panels up-side-down. So you must come off and get back to normal.

You'll have fun and make progress. And you'll go back to normal smarter and wiser hopefully.

 

[rakasha681]

Ok i know ill catch crap for this but I cant do needles, for medical reasons so ts just not an option for me, but Im looking at starting some orals. My options to stack together are: dbols, winny tabs, and clen tabs. The dbols are 10mg, winnys 10 mg and clen are .04mg. There are a few more orals they offer but no clue what they are. Whats a good oral stack and dosage? Im 25 male bout 5'9 and 180 pounds just looking to gain more muscle mass. I have a pretty good eating schedule and takeprotein and all that good stuff. Just need some advice on a good stack and amounts so I can make my order.

O and of course im getting some novladex

And if your trying gain muscle mass, why are you listing clen as an option? Clenbuterol is a thermogenic beta-2 antagonist that directly stimulates fat cells and excellerates triglyceride breakdown... IE: it helps you loose weight.
Also, you NEVER want to stack 2 orals, if you value your liver, they should only be done one at a time, with ample recovery time in between. You definitely need to do some more research before you hurt yourself. So an oral "stack" is out of the question.

 

[20ss02]

At 5'9" 180 I can suggest a great oral only cycle - FOOD

 

[rakasha681]

At 5'9" 180 I can suggest a great oral only cycle - FOOD

lol... thats the best oral cycle there is... i love stacking chicken breast with tuna... gets me ripped

 

[ALIN]

Ok i know ill catch crap for this but I cant do needles, for medical reasons so ts just not an option for me, but Im looking at starting some orals. My options to stack together are: dbols, winny tabs, and clen tabs. The dbols are 10mg, winnys 10 mg and clen are .04mg. There are a few more orals they offer but no clue what they are. Whats a good oral stack and dosage? Im 25 male bout 5'9 and 180 pounds just looking to gain more muscle mass. I have a pretty good eating schedule and takeprotein and all that good stuff. Just need some advice on a good stack and amounts so I can make my order.

O and of course im getting some novladex

The only oral I would ever recommend running alone would be Anavar.

 

[juicedmick]

The only oral I would ever recommend running alone would be Anavar.

I agree

 

[I3oosted]

Ulter speaks the truth. The sides can be terrible for a young man especially hair loss.

If you must go this oral route, here are my comments based on my personal experience:

dbol - take 10 mg with each of three main meals. 8 weeks on and 8 weeks off. In ancient times, dbol was King.
or
tbol - same. It will act slower.
or
anavar - same. It will give you a strength boost primarily.

Do not stack them. Drink extra water and train with the basics at 5-6 reps. 9 hours of sleep per day.

Buy only in sealed packages from major producers like BD.

These drugs will tip your cholesterol , liver and PSA panels up-side-down. So you must come off and get back to normal.

You'll have fun and make progress. And you'll go back to normal smarter and wiser hopefully.

At least someone isn't trying to be his dad. He's an adult and if he wants to fuck himself then he will. I'am not here to save people so I really like your post.

Throw in some milk thistle(can get this anywhere, local grocer) to help out your liver cause it will take a pounding. Have a smart PCT plan also.

Just to let you know, needles aren't that bad. I laughed at myself for being a pussy the first time I pinned myself, all those nerves for nothing. I felt a slight pinch and that was it. Never had pain.. EVER from my injections.

 

[klmsu19]

thank u i dont need a daddy ive take steriods before (orals) and i know what im doing for the most part,just need some guidance. What do you guys think of stacking anavar with dbol? I actually just found some anavar but wondering if it does enough for mass for the price, its pretty expensive stuff, but i hear its really nice stuff- not hard on the liver and little side effects, but it doesnt do a lot for mass jsut enhances other anabolics.

Ok if i honeslty decice to go with darting whats the best stack to start off on. Im really deabting it right now, Id def survive needles but I dont want to screw my liver doing all orals. Thinking test with dbol to start. I know do dbol for bout 4 weeks,bout how longfortest? 8/10 weeks? is test p or d better than e, was thinking bout going with e.

For either/both, which anti-e to go with. Thinking AIFM and novaldex

 

[SwolK]

thank u i dont need a daddy ive take steriods before (orals) and i know what im doing for the most part,just need some guidance. What do you guys think of stacking anavar with dbol? I actually just found some anavar but wondering if it does enough for mass for the price, its pretty expensive stuff, but i hear its really nice stuff- not hard on the liver and little side effects, but it doesnt do a lot for mass jsut enhances other anabolics.

Ok if i honeslty decice to go with darting whats the best stack to start off on. Im really deabting it right now, Id def survive needles but I dont want to screw my liver doing all orals. Thinking test with dbol to start. I know do dbol for bout 4 weeks,bout how longfortest? 8/10 weeks? is test p or d better than e, was thinking bout going with e.

For either/both, which anti-e to go with. Thinking AIFM and novaldex

did you not listen to anything that the guys said above?? shit...


I thought you could not use injectables for a medical reason? now you can? wtf?

you dont know what you are doing for the most part as you stated.

damn, this just aggrivates me

 

[CO B-man]

Sorry. I write that so many times a day that I now have it on textpad so I can copy and paste it.
Edit too small

LOL! Copy...Paste...Copy...paste it will make your life simpler and possibly help prevent carpal tunnel from the typing. things you should save a copy of
1.) why people take too little juice for their first cycle when they have the best opportunity to gain
2.) WHy AIFM is particularly good for a dbol cycle (but not limited too)
3.) Why EQ rocks
4.) Yes in fact you can drink winny and why it is best to do so.
5.) You are too young to juice since your liver is not fully developed until the ages between 23-25
6.) You have not met your genetic potential yet so you should not be juicing
7.) list goes on forever so I give

but somewhat regardless of your advice you are o.k. with the fact that we are stubborn and always need your products because we are so damned stuborn! LOL!

 

[acneman]

What sort of medical reasons could you have for not being able to use an injectable? The only thing i can think of would be any sort of blood clotting disorder, so if you stick yourself, youd bleed all over... but that sort of medical problem wouldnt mix well with aas... .

would psychological aversion to needles count as medical?
a phobia about needles?

you could try aversion therapy
spend time in a fabric shop around the thread and needle section

or you could have your significant other sneak up on you while your asleep and inject in your ass

no youve probably tried both already

i think the main problem here is steroids shrink the nuts not make them bigger

on a serious note a counselor could help if it is a psychological issue and therapy is cheaper than liver transplants in the long run

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

everyone will tell you that your first cycle should be test only...just run that by itself you are catching flack cause you said you wanna run orals only...if you cant inject you shouldnt be using the gear thats what people say aroundd here and its true...seriously first cycle...suck it up and run test e for 12 weeks at 500mg ew or 750mg ew...run some aifm through it

 

[rakasha681]

Ok if i honeslty decice to go with darting whats the best stack to start off on. Im really deabting it right now, Id def survive needles but I dont want to screw my liver doing all orals. Thinking test with dbol to start. I know do dbol for bout 4 weeks,bout how longfortest? 8/10 weeks? is test p or d better than e, was thinking bout going with e.

test with a dbol kickstart is a good cycle, like you said, dbol for the first 4 weeks, 30-40mg per day, split into 3 or 4 doses should be good for you.
As far as the test, the main difference between them is the esters, the shorter the ester, the more you have to inject. For your first injectable cycle, id stick with test enth or cyp, both are fairly long acting esters and you can do weekly or twice a week injections... neither is really "better" then the other, just depends on what your goals are, and what your stacking it with. Like right now, im using Tren Ace, so i have to do daily injects, so no point in using test enth, so i just use prop, and inject daily.
So to re-cap, heres the cycle id recomend with test/dbol

1-4 dbol 30-40mg ED
1-10/12 Test enth 500mg/wk

AIFM daily, 1-2 pumps, 2x daily. Keep nolva and clomid onhand in case of gyno.

 

[klmsu19]

thanks, and the only reason i changed over to inj is because I have some gastrointenstinal problems (bad acid reflux problems) and orals would probably be the worse of 2 evils since i hear they cause nausea and other bad gastro stuff to happen and mines very sensative and painful at times

raka should i bother taking 20mg/day of nolva toawrds the last half of the cycle?

what about PCT? and how long after week 10? i heard you could do PCT a week or 2 after last inj.

40mg/day nolva first week PCT and 20 next week or 2?
or
150mg/day clomid first week,100/day 2nd, and 50 week 3 and 4?
are oneor the other ok or both nessecary at the same time during PCT ive heard comflicting opinions

 

[Knights2]

klmsu19 bro you are fucking scary me...you cant make up your damn mind...and frankyl lets admit it...if you came out with this big bullshit how you cant inject...you got it in your mind already that your not going to....dont fucking hurt yourself trying to do this man...do it right....and try praying or something bro cause it sounds like you need more then just our help and guidance

 

[WhiteCastle]

everyone will tell you that your first cycle should be test only...just run that by itself you are catching flack cause you said you wanna run orals only...if you cant inject you shouldnt be using the gear thats what people say aroundd here and its true...seriously first cycle...suck it up and run test e for 12 weeks at 500mg ew or 750mg ew...run some aifm through it

Fuck AIFM.... YOu see those rashes back in the day? What are you doing still messing with it?

Just run Test Enanthate @ 500mg/wk for 10-12 weeks (take 2 shots of 250mg per week)
If you would like, and I would suggest, also get some Dbol.... take 25-35mg/day for 4-5 weeks in the beginning.

I personally start taking 10mg nolva about 3-4 weeks into a cycle every day.

At the end, since you are running a long ester, wait about 2 weeks and do the following:
week 1: 100mg/day Clomid and 40mg/day Nolva
week 2: 50mg/day Clomid And 20mg/day Nolva
Week 3: 50mg/day Clomid and 10mg/day nolva


you SHOLD be fine after your cycle and your hormones should be back to normal by the end of your clomid/nolva.

I am saying all of this from experience.....NOT just because someone else has said it in the past and I want to be 'cool' too.

Everyone is telling you not to do something, but they seem to just be saying what someone else said........ I don't see anyone posting from experience except for thelion2005.. K to him.

 

[drrman]

You are too small to be using steroids.
You need to put on some more mass naturally.
You need to drop the idea of using oral steroids to build a cycle out of. They are used to enhance a cycle.

Okay? So here's what will happen.
You'll ignore me.
You'll use the oral steroids.
You'll get bigger.
6 months later you'll be the same size you are now.
Cortisol will probably make your joints hurt more.

fucking EXCELLENT post

also add in your cholesterol will be higher, you might get soem bitch tits, liver might hate you.......and you might even be smaller in 6 months from now!

 

[drrman]

thank u i dont need a daddy ive take steriods before (orals) and i know what im doing for the most part,just need some guidance. What do you guys think of stacking anavar with dbol? I actually just found some anavar but wondering if it does enough for mass for the price, its pretty expensive stuff, but i hear its really nice stuff- not hard on the liver and little side effects, but it doesnt do a lot for mass jsut enhances other anabolics.

Ok if i honeslty decice to go with darting whats the best stack to start off on. Im really deabting it right now, Id def survive needles but I dont want to screw my liver doing all orals. Thinking test with dbol to start. I know do dbol for bout 4 weeks,bout how longfortest? 8/10 weeks? is test p or d better than e, was thinking bout going with e.

For either/both, which anti-e to go with. Thinking AIFM and novaldex

yeh, really sounds like you know what you are doing?

now you say you've taken steroids before? and you are 180lbs again NOW??

you just proved ulter's point..................

 

[BigCracker]

Just when I get back from my sabbatical and praise the board for there not being any teeny bopper oral only/injectables aren't an option posts...I spoke too soon.

FYI-most guys that ignore the advice of experienced users end up looking worse than they did before they started using AS-and get all the side effects as an added bonus. Impotence is my fave. I love when I got some hot bitch begging me to tap her ass and my dick is like pasta al dente. Time to make a splint for the cock with a popsicle stick and duct tape.

 

[drrman]

Just when I get back from my sabbatical and praise the board for there not being any teeny bopper oral only/injectables aren't an option posts...I spoke too soon.

FYI-most guys that ignore the advice of experienced users end up looking worse than they did before they started using AS-and get all the side effects as an added bonus. Impotence is my fave. I love when I got some hot bitch begging me to tap her ass and my dick is like pasta al dente. Time to make a splint for the cock with a popsicle stick and duct tape.

come on cracker, i was expecting a much funnier post from you man? whats wrong? you on the clomid?

 

[BigCracker]

come on cracker, i was expecting a much funnier post from you man? whats wrong? you on the clomid?

Nope, I'm 4 months pregnant though. I watched The Notebook on cable the other night and I morphed into a bitch.

 

[gettnlarge01]

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT NEEDLES???!!!!!! If that is the most pain you can handle then your workouts must sux!!

 

[WhiteCastle]

Just when I get back from my sabbatical and praise the board for there not being any teeny bopper oral only/injectables aren't an option posts...I spoke too soon.

FYI-most guys that ignore the advice of experienced users end up looking worse than they did before they started using AS-and get all the side effects as an added bonus. Impotence is my fave. I love when I got some hot bitch begging me to tap her ass and my dick is like pasta al dente. Time to make a splint for the cock with a popsicle stick and duct tape.

LOL! at the pasta al dente. Being a dego myself, I completely understand! LOL!

 

[klmsu19]

yeh, really sounds like you know what you are doing?

now you say you've taken steroids before? and you are 180lbs again NOW??

you just proved ulter's point..................

ok u can stop talking till u know my situation thank you if you read anything youd see i said i has gastrointestinal problems which i got about 2 years ago. That was AFTER steroids, that was like 6 years ago. I lost a lot of weight not eating for 3 months after surgery so yes im 180 back to my normal weight geez. I know how to eat and i know by bmi im actually on the higher end for weight for my height so yes i did my research unliek you before you made an asshole comment

 

[al420]

ok u can stop talking till u know my situation thank you if you read anything youd see i said i has gastrointestinal problems which i got about 2 years ago. That was AFTER steroids, that was like 6 years ago. I lost a lot of weight not eating for 3 months after surgery so yes im 180 back to my normal weight geez. I know how to eat and i know by bmi im actually on the higher end for weight for my height so yes i did my research unliek you before you made an asshole comment

Then you should have laid your situation out for us you skinny little prick. Don;t talk shit after writing a post that starts w/ "Ok i know ill catch crap for this but I cant do needles".

We all had to waste time looking at this dumb ass thread. If Dbol worked long term we would never quit taking it as it makes you look huge. And if you have done the research then you know you need to put on weight w/ food and training BEFORE you start a cycle - but I am sure you already knew that.

Take some pepto and eat something.

 

[italiabrat]

I just want to say that genetics play a huge roll in ones mass gains! I unfortunately got the shit end of the stick with a very very fast metabolism. It has taking me FOREVER to get where I am at right now. I eat and eat and eat, I sleep pretty well (military affects this!) I have been training for about 3 years. I feel I look pretty good, but don't have it in me to get bigger than what I am with out a boost. My point is I am looking for an oral cycle for 6-8 weeks that will boost me over this hump. I did test cypioject with deca in high school to get me over my first hump and it worked very well for 8 weeks (kept about 75% of gains), but now I am stuck at 165 (walk-around-weight) 170 on a good day (more or less WATER) 4%bf @ 5'7" any help would be nice!