Oral only cycle

[bfs2011]

Hello guys, this is my first post but I've been reading the forum for a while and have gained a lot of useful info from here in the past. So first off, thanks for that!

In the past I've done 3 sust and decca cycles and they have always gone smooth with no nasty sides or issues.

I live in different circumstances now so injecting is basically a no go for now so I want to give a oral only cycle a go.

My stats:
24yo
6'1
17.5st
30% bf
Been training for 6yrs but had a slack 12mths recently hence the 'gut'.

I have access to Dbol, Winny, Var and all necessary PCT stuff.

What do you recommend? I'm looking for leanest gains possible and some fat loss wouldn't go a miss. I'm clued up on diets so I'm aware that a solid diet will aid in the fat loss.

I appreciate all info.

BFS


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[brownbrown]

have you stopped slacking the last month or couple months? you might want to get your natural gains back before a cycle. then you can maximize gains. shouldnt take long at all.

 

[bfs2011]

Hi, I'm hitting the gym this payday and plan on doing a good solid month atleast before a cycle. Hopefully muscle memory isn't a myth

BFS


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[brownbrown]

IMO if your going for lean gains. take Dbol off your list... it will swell you up. Winny..... Good stuff...
I have no expierence with Var..
Are you bent on those AAS you stated?

You might want to check out some of the PH's out there since your doing a Oral cycle.

 

[brownbrown]

run a search on "cutting cycle" and there are quite a few recent threads on peoples summer runs...

 

[bfs2011]

Ive not set anything in stone just yet. I'm pretty much open to any suggestions.
I could probably manage the odd injection if I stored my stuff at work. Is winny only used as a cutting cycle? Can it be used for gains?

BFS


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[brownbrown]

Ive not set anything in stone just yet. I'm pretty much open to any suggestions.
I could probably manage the odd injection if I stored my stuff at work. Is winny only used as a cutting cycle? Can it be used for gains?

BFS


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Winny is great for gains.. Great...
if shots are kind of a risk, best to weigh the options. if theres a risk, think it out ..

 

[bfs2011]

There's a big risk if I'm totally honest. I've researched winny and I've always got the impression its only really good for cutting? I'll look into it now.

What would be an ideal winny cycle?

BFS

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[bfs2011]

How about this:

6 weeks winny 50mg , Nolva 10mg ED

Taken with milk thistle and cod liver oil.

PCT of nolva for 4 weeks 20mg ED

BFS

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[Voxide3]

30% bf

Dear god.

Please get your diet straightened out first. You have no business taking any sort of steroid.

 

[brownbrown]

There's a big risk if I'm totally honest. I've researched winny and I've always got the impression its only really good for cutting? I'll look into it now.

What would be an ideal winny cycle?

BFS

Bigger Faster Stronger

if theres a risk with shots.... Dont even think about it... Not worth it..

agree with Bf
50mg winny...is a decent dose
and look into a good PH to stack along with it
maybe epi-strong<-orbitnutrition
or helladrol <--mr.supps

pct : tons of good OTC out there.
HCgenterate (on cycle) through 1st couple weeks of pct.
Erase+ formastanazole pct
or
Phytoserms 347+formastanazole+ AI (erase or unleashed and post cycle)

and you cant forget your on cycle supplents , liver support ect... NTBM has some good ones, and so does Orbit....

im not a rep for any of those guys, but i have used all of the products i just mentioned and they actually work.... Really well

Voxide is really right bro... Gotta get that BF% way down with a good diet before stepping into another cycle.. if you can cut that in half in 4-6 weeks, you will probable be back in decent shape and ready to do a run.....

Just IMHO

 

[bfs2011]

Guys, I 110% agree! I'll be smashing a diet and good solid training (like I did already mention) before going on another cycle.

I wanna drop 10-15% bf atleast before I touch anything.

Please don't think I'm a newbie to training guys. I've fought professional mma and put a lot of hours into training over the years. I know my body and what diet suits me.

BFS

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