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Optimal Cycles for Athletics/Fighters???

EtchedfromMarble

EtchedfromMarble

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In contrast to bodybuilders, what are some of the better choices for gear and cycles for athletes, most specifically MMA fighters and boxers???

Their goals would be more about strength, fat loss, aggressiveness and recovery. Some mass gains would be good but not much needed.

What do you guys think? on the one hand if the athlete is tested, on the other hand if they are not tested...
 
DrUG tested: Test suspension, Test. propionate, Anavar, Winstrol,
Non Drug Tested: Tbol, Masteron, Winstrol, Deca, Boldenone, Tren, Primo, Halo
 
What do you think of test enenthate and equipose long cycle (8 week minimum) for non tested athlete who also wants to gain mass?

How about NPP instead of deca.
 
EtchedfromMarble said:
What do you think of test enenthate and equipose long cycle (8 week minimum) for non tested athlete who also wants to gain mass?

How about NPP instead of deca.
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I would say thats fine but 8 weeks is too short go 10-12 weeks
 
What about HGH??? I am sure its good for fighters, plus as far as I know it can't be detected in tests...but how does one determine good dosages for HGH???
 
EtchedfromMarble said:
What about HGH??? I am sure its good for fighters, plus as far as I know it can't be detected in tests...but how does one determine good dosages for HGH???
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Youd have to figure out that one by yourself but HGH is good and expensive
 
yeah, what do you fight, mma. ufc? 2IU is usually what people start out HGH at... how much are you looking to add? what are your stats...
 
hey bro I am an mma fighter as well. Cauliflower ear is a good bro here and he fights as well, he has great insight and has tought me alot about this side of the game. I guess as a fighter your cycle would need to mirror your goals, do you have trouble making weight, are you wanting to stay in your current weight class? hows your cardio grappling wise etc.
 
yeah for sure, cauli is my guy. you must be the dude he was talkin about. Glad to have you hear man. Yeah exactly, MMA is the shit man. Yeah, Cauli is on GH from what he speaks... he knows all you need to know about that stuff. But yeah, glad to have you hear and ask whatever questions you need to, bros hear are glad to help
 
danymal04 said:
yeah, what do you fight, mma. ufc? 2IU is usually what people start out HGH at... how much are you looking to add? what are your stats...
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You think 2 IU is a good start? I guess people are saying anywhere from 1-3 IU per day is a good starting point...


I have not fought professionally yet. I have just competed extensively in wrestling and grappling for 8 years.

Goals and stats...

6'1, 210 lbs, about 12 % BF right now. 24 years old, been weight training for 10 years, wrestling and bjj for 8 years, but only got about 6 months thai boxing under my belt... never cycled anything before. Goals from AAS and HGH are mostly strength, aggression and better recovery from the demands of trianing (MMA specific trianing, conditioning and weights). A little mass would be good also but not too much is desired.
 
EtchedfromMarble said:
You think 2 IU is a good start? I guess people are saying anywhere from 1-3 IU per day is a good starting point...


I have not fought professionally yet. I have just competed extensively in wrestling and grappling for 8 years.

Goals and stats...

6'1, 210 lbs, about 12 % BF right now. 24 years old, been weight training for 10 years, wrestling and bjj for 8 years, but only got about 6 months thai boxing under my belt... never cycled anything before. Goals from AAS and HGH are mostly strength, aggression and better recovery from the demands of trianing (MMA specific trianing, conditioning and weights). A little mass would be good also but not too much is desired.
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I would think that for you and your first cycle this would be perfect

wk1-14 test e 500mg wk
wk 1-14 eq 600mg wk
hgh 2 iu ed m-f through pct
aromasin throughout
pct
hcg 500iu day for 10 days
clomid

over

the eq will increase your red blood cells thus improving your stamina for grappling and your stand up training. Test is a staple. the hgh you could work up to 4 ius ed your body will let you know if 4 ius is too much by the sides. are you wanting to fight 205 or heavyweight? mosr guys that I train with that walk around at your weight fight 185. 8 years of bjj your grappling must be stellar. glad to have you here man.
 
yeah , if you take eq, make sure you take iron supplements anywhere close to 100mgs ed split up throughout the day. Also take Vitamin C to help in excess with the iron supplements. This will help the red blood cells be used better in your training. Also you can use b-complex, and 3x400mcg of folic acid each day. Hope that helps
 
Test E or C or Sust.

Tren Ace

D-bol maybe anadrol, because d-bol makes some of us winded

NPP



I’m on d-bol now, and once I get warmed up, I get psyched up also, then I could fight, I want to fight, after one to one and half hours of training, I really don’t want to stop.

But d-bol slows me down at first and makes me winded, and Fina just makes a person mean, so if you can over come that initial slow down, those two, plus the increase in strength are wonderful

Throw in some Amply 02 at the beginning, and I think you would be a killer
 
EtchedfromMarble said:
In contrast to bodybuilders, what are some of the better choices for gear and cycles for athletes, most specifically MMA fighters and boxers???

Their goals would be more about strength, fat loss, aggressiveness and recovery. Some mass gains would be good but not much needed.

What do you guys think? on the one hand if the athlete is tested, on the other hand if they are not tested...
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EQ for stamina
Deca (low dose) for joints
Test for recovery

that's more then enough...all low dose, no need to go high with any product.
 
fowler and danymal, thanks for the advice and letting me know about cauliflower ear.

X and solidspine thanks for the advice. I'll consider tren for sure, probably not first cycle but down the line. I'm gonna stay away from deca, I know it helps joints but it stays in the system too long and I wanna retain as little water as possible.

Fowler, thanks for letting me know you fight MMA and thanks for the cycle idea. I was originally thinking of test e and eq cycle. What do you think about dropping the eq down to 400 mg a week for my first cycle? That's the dosage I had in mind. I have just started to look into HGH but your advice sounds good, I will take it very seriously.

I never plan on fighting heavyweight. I wanna get to be a good size for 205...so in other words walking around about 220, under 10% bf (ideally), in shape. I have cut weight alot and can do it quite well now, but I think very soon I will grow out of 185, even without AAS. I go up to 220 when focusing more on weights and less on conditioning, but I'm a bit fatter, around 15% BF. At my best condition I'm 205-210, around 10%.

My cardio is good when I train properly, ie interval sprints, circuit training, sparring etc, but the problem I have is that when I do alot of conditioning and MMA specific training I lose muscle mass and strength pretty quick.
 
EtchedfromMarble said:
fowler and danymal, thanks for the advice and letting me know about cauliflower ear.

X and solidspine thanks for the advice. I'll consider tren for sure, probably not first cycle but down the line. I'm gonna stay away from deca, I know it helps joints but it stays in the system too long and I wanna retain as little water as possible.

Fowler, thanks for letting me know you fight MMA and thanks for the cycle idea. I was originally thinking of test e and eq cycle. What do you think about dropping the eq down to 400 mg a week for my first cycle? That's the dosage I had in mind. I have just started to look into HGH but your advice sounds good, I will take it very seriously.

I never plan on fighting heavyweight. I wanna get to be a good size for 205...so in other words walking around about 220, under 10% bf (ideally), in shape. I have cut weight alot and can do it quite well now, but I think very soon I will grow out of 185, even without AAS. I go up to 220 when focusing more on weights and less on conditioning, but I'm a bit fatter, around 15% BF. At my best condition I'm 205-210, around 10%.

My cardio is good when I train properly, ie interval sprints, circuit training, sparring etc, but the problem I have is that when I do alot of conditioning and MMA specific training I lose muscle mass and strength pretty quick.
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The thing with Eq is that its alot like a freight train slow and steady, results take a while with Eq but they are quality I am at the end of week 10 of a 20 weeker of test eq and I am just starting to really feel the eq as far as muscle, I could feel the stamina increase within 2 weeks. I have a a guy on my team doing tren now and he has gotten strong as a bull but his cardio is dreadful. Most people will tell you that you need 600mg per week of eq minimum but hey try 400 see if it works for you and have fun with your cycle. Pretty soon youll be so strong noone will want you in their guard. Conditioning is the key difference and youll notice that when you have your first fight, so now that you are adding anabolics you cant use the excuse that the intense training is burning up your muscle. Eat, eat eat keep it as clean as you can but tke in the calories because you will burn them.
 
rfowler said:
The thing with Eq is that its alot like a freight train slow and steady, results take a while with Eq but they are quality I am at the end of week 10 of a 20 weeker of test eq and I am just starting to really feel the eq as far as muscle, I could feel the stamina increase within 2 weeks. I have a a guy on my team doing tren now and he has gotten strong as a bull but his cardio is dreadful. Most people will tell you that you need 600mg per week of eq minimum but hey try 400 see if it works for you and have fun with your cycle. Pretty soon youll be so strong noone will want you in their guard. Conditioning is the key difference and youll notice that when you have your first fight, so now that you are adding anabolics you cant use the excuse that the intense training is burning up your muscle. Eat, eat eat keep it as clean as you can but tke in the calories because you will burn them.
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What is the minimum time you recommend to run equipose? 8 weeks? 12? 14? I will give 600 mg some strong consideration...what are sides typical to equipose and is there a big difference in sides when going above 600 mg vs. below?

Ya, some people seem to lose cardio on tren. I will make sure I never have to compete while on tren because of that.
 
yeah, im about to run tren blend, i'll let everyone on the board know how it goes with my cardio workouts.

I started EQ at 400mgs ew... then towards the end like the last 4 weeks I bumped it up to 6 or 800mgs I can't remember. I remember that it was the same as what bruce did cause we were both on it at the time and he told me it was better with a little higher of a dose. Idk.. maybe he'll hit the thread up and let you know otherwise pm him... bruce410
 
Yonkers Weights said:
HGH 2 iu ed m-f
200mg of deca 1-10
250mg of test 1-10
100mg of eq 1-10
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Yonkers, those dosages seem very low (EQ and test). What kind of results can be expected from those dosages? Is the suggested usage of such low dosages dependent on cycle history and bodyweight of the user?
 
more vascularity, i use prop along with it. more pumps, its kind of a give and go thing.. start at 400mg and if you feel you need to go up... than do it, if you feel good where you are at.. thats cool too..its no miricale by bumping up..
 
ok cool I'll start at 400, see how it goes. What do you think is minimum cycle time needed for quality gains from eq? fowler advised 14 weeks, I am wondering if shorter is ok or if 14 minimum.
 
I always say to start with a low dose and then you can increase. Don't waste it and pump shit into you that your body does not need or process. There are no real gains from EQ in my eyes. He does help you eat like crazy which is why I would say to run it with the test. EAT PROTEIN! You are also running HGH so you don't want to over do it from the start. Keep those receptors hungry for more juice and each time add more doseage. Next cylce double up on this dose. Real gains that will stay with you come in time. If you want quick water results, grab handfuls of dbal and sus and bang it out but 6 weeks after it ends and you crash and get depressed because you can't lift like you used to... You will see my point. Just looking out. Hope this helps.
 
I also do a bit of mma,
good..
test prop or low doses of e or sust
mast
npp
halo ..oh yeah!!

no good
anymore than 500mg of test
dbol
cant move due to painfull dissabling pumps

I hear good thing about var also
epo anyone?
 
EQ gives you keepable games no doubt. I was happy with it, start at 400mgs and youc an run it anywhere from 10-20 weeks ... its completely up to you and how you feel when running it.
 
Mr.X said:
EQ for stamina
Deca (low dose) for joints
Test for recovery

that's more then enough...all low dose, no need to go high with any product.
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What do you think would be the minimum effective dose of deca for relief on the joints?
 
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