Opinions please.

[Minitor2]

I have a friend that sees me on my cycle of 500mgs cyp, 400mgs deca a week and 30 mgs a day of dbol and he wants to start a cycle. now my question is this hes about 260 and about 5 ft 9 hes got a gut only works out maybe 3 days a week not really intensly but anyway this is a post for him. he wants to know if he does a cutting diet with the same things im doing will he lose weight and get muscle. i said no because these are commonly used for bulking because they put on water weight and lots of mass and you have to eat alotof calories. he doubts that so if someone maybe knows of people not in the greatest of shape starting a test,deca,dbol cycle to cut please let me knwo what the outcome was. or what you think it might be. thanks

minitor2

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well there are plenty of things he can take to help him out, and gear is just one of those things. He will ultimately make the decision to take gear or not take gear regardless of what you think he should or shouldn't do.

Having said that, he could certainly use that stack as a cutter. Winny is used more often however since it is more anti-catabolic than test or deca. But winny is much more expensive than most gear. Soooooo, a better cycle for him would be test at 500mg/week and eq at 400-600mg/week.

However, I would introduce the idea of dnp or some other fatloss agent to him and see what he wants to do.

 

[Minitor2]

but

I thought mass builders such as dbol deca and test arent used as cutters because they add water and mass. it could be done then? with what type of diet? low carb? this is news to me i guess im a moron i thought that u couldnt do it.

minitor2

 

[gilly6993-recreatedbygeorge]

Re: but

I thought mass builders such as dbol deca and test arent used as cutters because they add water and mass. it could be done then? with what type of diet? low carb? this is news to me i guess im a moron i thought that u couldnt do it.

minitor2

If you take some arimidex/ liquidex with it it will keep the water off....you can cut with just about anything as long as your diet is in check.....

 

[TxLonghorn]

Sure it can be done. If you do retain water, when you get off the gear, the water will leave as well.

What makes the difference between a bulker and a cutter is diet. Oh, and diet. Did I mention the diet part? As long as he keeps his protein high, and his calories somewhat restricted, he will get results. Especially from his first cycle. I wouldn't go lowcarb but I would reduce carb intake.

I fucking hate lowcarb. It makes me very irritable.

 

[Minitor2]

Ok

So there would be no mucle gain from those things i mentioned with a cutting diet? or would there be solid gains as opposed to water like gain which is what im expecting me personally im expecting like 20 lbs gaines with 12-15lbs lean mass but he expects muscle growth and losing weight u guys say its possible though huh?

minitor2

 

[c3bodybuilding]

There is no such thing as a magic cutting roid. If you take armi/liq you can now even use test to cut. It's all about nutrition, and how you workout, no matter what kind of gear you use, or if you use none at all. The reason behind people staying away from things like test in the past, where the water bloat, but that is no longer a problem.

It seems your friend is not ready for gear, he needs to get his training act together first, but he will do it whether you tell him to or not. People are just like that, but you could help him out. Let him know that there is no magic pill at all, and if you don't put in the blood, sweat and tears, regardless of what you are taking, you won't see the results. Period. If he wants to lose the weight, he will need to do heavy training with the basics, to keep as much muscle as possible while he is losing fat, and maybe even gain some lean mass. He will also have to do a lot of cardio. Rest and eating right are the even more important factors. No big macs if he is looking to lose! In other words, three half ass work outs a week aren't going to cut it (no pun intended) gear, or no gear.

If he can keep with it, and eat right, then he could achieve his goals. I would recommend for now though, that he gets his training and nutrition in check, and try some of the fat burners availible first. I wish him good luck on his journey, whatever it is that he does...

 

[TxLonghorn]

Anything is possible, especially on a first cycle. But when you start asking specifics like can I gain 15 pounds of muscle and lose 10 pounds of fat, nobody can give you a realistic answer. It is impossible to answer because there are too many variables to take into consideration. Who knows how much water you will or won't retain? Hell, it could even be a problem with your diet that makes you retain water.

And muscle growth and fatloss can happen simultaneously. If you don't believe me, do a search with this word: fina.

The best thing to do is for your buddy to do his own research and get as much or as little out of it as he wants.

 

[TxLonghorn]

There is no such thing as a magic cutting roid.

Oh yes there is...fina!

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Oh, and about your current cycle, your goals on all that stuff are within reach. I am just finishing up a 500mg a wk of test enth alone, and am up 24lbs so far, with one week to go. But remember, I eat a ton, stick to the basic's (clean and press, squat, deads, chins etc), and let my body rest (one body part a week). But all in all, your goals can be achieved of 12-15 'quality' lbs, if you train, eat and rest right.


Just curious, is this your first cycle?

 

[c3bodybuilding]

I forgot about Fina! The magicly delicious good stuff! But that aside, I meant that his friend just can't rely on any drug to be magical and do all the work. I notice how so many people think if you take this or that, it's a cake walk, and you don't work for it. I remember someone posted that a guy in their gym said, "if i took a cycle, i could look like ronnie coleman" Some people will never learn