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Sorry - WWW.FITNESSMOTIVATORS.NET
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Ashamed
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It's bad..... it needs work...
Sh4dowf4lcon and Curling might like it.
Sh4dowf4lcon and Curling might like it.
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bump
tee hee
tee hee
tuc biscuit
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It looks upbeat and motivational which is good, but a bit cluttered for my tastes and the different coloured writing makes it look like a teenage girls homepage, just mho.
Imnotdutcheither
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Looks good to me. I would make the Fitness Motivators title larger and more obvious.......it kinda gets lost.
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it is very very bad
Imnotdutcheither
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Ashamed said:
Who gives a shit what you think Mr. Negativity?
He is asking for advice........if you dont like it say what the problem is. If you cant stop goofing around.
Imnotdutcheither
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Slated said:
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I get that fluffy feeling knowing that someone was helped by us.
Imnotdutcheither
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Slated said:
Shit thats harsh.Labelling something / somebody witohut even knowign what they are about
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teachers are instucted to be positive in their criticsm....
it isn't crap; it's colourful
it isn't crap; it's colourful
tuc biscuit said:
INDEED! The colors are now cut back a little and I went ahead and combined diet services with other services so I don't confuse the slower prospects (remember who where dealing with).
SlavikHavik
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your claims condradict each other.
people have trouble believing that something can be better and cheaper. Especially when you give them no real proof.
Use kitchen logic, "Our personal training is less expensive than the others because our trainers dont split your money with the gym" or something like that
"Our personal training is better than what youd get at a gym because all of our trainers have a minimum 5 years training expierience (or whatever makes you better)"
Testimonials work well, no bullshit guarantees are the biggest motivators in marketing. and by that i mean something very bold, usually risky. like "If you dont achieve the results you want in a resonable time frame with us well continue to train you for no charge untill you do"
Thats a powerful statement, people will respond to that. Its also risky, but the less risks you make for yourself in your guarantee the less people will respond. maybe "If you follow our program and diet and train with us on a regular basis and dont achieve your goals in a resonalbe time frame, well continue to train you for no charge untill you do" of course thats not nearly as powerful as the first.
Also you put up some stats... stats are powerful, especially if you list a source. However that just promotes the hiring of trainers in general... there already at your site looking for a trainer. No need to spark their intrest in training. You just need to make sure they go with you.
Also your site is your store, and your store is kind of drab, i dont get very excited when im in it. You should find some upbeat colours.
I appreciate the picture of the trainer, although he dosent look to be in incredible shape. repsectable shape yes, but not anything that would convince me to go with you guys.
You know when people buy your services there buying a moment in their minds. Whether that moment is when they arrive at the gym and have a new friend (their trainer), when they step on the scale and see theyve lost their first 10lbs, or maybe when they go to the wedding and people are shocked at how much weight theyve lost. That would be much more effective than what you have.
Also research into what makes effective copy. there are some basic key words that sell things. Im not going to write all of your copy for you but ill give you the basics.
If your competing on the basis of price. use the word FREE alot, like in your guarantee, whatever. RESULTS is another key word that makes for effective copy. and yes you can over do this. then at the end of the copy or somewhere clearly on each page. CLOSE! "Call my training company (whatever the name is) NOW"
or order this now!
whatever, just make sure you tell them what to do, the diffrence that one line makes is about a 50% increase in sales.
Hope all this helps, as a marketing consultant this is everything ive learned.
people have trouble believing that something can be better and cheaper. Especially when you give them no real proof.
Use kitchen logic, "Our personal training is less expensive than the others because our trainers dont split your money with the gym" or something like that
"Our personal training is better than what youd get at a gym because all of our trainers have a minimum 5 years training expierience (or whatever makes you better)"
Testimonials work well, no bullshit guarantees are the biggest motivators in marketing. and by that i mean something very bold, usually risky. like "If you dont achieve the results you want in a resonable time frame with us well continue to train you for no charge untill you do"
Thats a powerful statement, people will respond to that. Its also risky, but the less risks you make for yourself in your guarantee the less people will respond. maybe "If you follow our program and diet and train with us on a regular basis and dont achieve your goals in a resonalbe time frame, well continue to train you for no charge untill you do" of course thats not nearly as powerful as the first.
Also you put up some stats... stats are powerful, especially if you list a source. However that just promotes the hiring of trainers in general... there already at your site looking for a trainer. No need to spark their intrest in training. You just need to make sure they go with you.
Also your site is your store, and your store is kind of drab, i dont get very excited when im in it. You should find some upbeat colours.
I appreciate the picture of the trainer, although he dosent look to be in incredible shape. repsectable shape yes, but not anything that would convince me to go with you guys.
You know when people buy your services there buying a moment in their minds. Whether that moment is when they arrive at the gym and have a new friend (their trainer), when they step on the scale and see theyve lost their first 10lbs, or maybe when they go to the wedding and people are shocked at how much weight theyve lost. That would be much more effective than what you have.
Also research into what makes effective copy. there are some basic key words that sell things. Im not going to write all of your copy for you but ill give you the basics.
If your competing on the basis of price. use the word FREE alot, like in your guarantee, whatever. RESULTS is another key word that makes for effective copy. and yes you can over do this. then at the end of the copy or somewhere clearly on each page. CLOSE! "Call my training company (whatever the name is) NOW"
or order this now!
whatever, just make sure you tell them what to do, the diffrence that one line makes is about a 50% increase in sales.
Hope all this helps, as a marketing consultant this is everything ive learned.
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We will not touch what you are selling because I’ve learned that you can sell frozen shit if you market it right. Best people I have found for marketing were women. Funny because who else can market something that looks like an alien with flaps all over smelling like fish and pass it off for gold.
Anyway, too many colors. Not organized. Hard on the eyes… You need a structured layout that is easy to understand. Make it a nice experience to be there. Let the people find information for themselves.
I’ve been working on my own page design for months and I keep changing it to make it more palatable.
Anyway, too many colors. Not organized. Hard on the eyes… You need a structured layout that is easy to understand. Make it a nice experience to be there. Let the people find information for themselves.
I’ve been working on my own page design for months and I keep changing it to make it more palatable.
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You can also make this work for you. Many other diets and training shows a figure that only 1 in 1000 will have. At least you can state that your program is "realistic".
SlavikHavik said:
SlavikHavik said:
Thanks for the feedback. I agree and am modifying some more. However, the trainer, is me - I was 8% 215 at the time (I'm 6% now and fluctuate between 5-10%). I have shirtless photo's but I rarely shave and you know how the hairless chest is "in".Thanks again!
SlavikHavik
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yeah i have no doubt you were in shape then, but you couldnt tell from that picture. Size is lost in photos without a contrast. For people, another person works best.
Regardless, all the marketing on the site needs improvement. I wouldnt buy a dollar from that site if it cost me ten cents
Regardless, all the marketing on the site needs improvement. I wouldnt buy a dollar from that site if it cost me ten cents
SlavikHavik said:
I might do a shave and a "Topless Jeans Boy" photo for the shit of it. I'm about 6% so before I bloat back up on a bulking cycle I might as well. Just hate the work! Then again, it may be less intimidating for the type of audience that would actually order email/phone "hand-holding" to stick with a more neutral appearance... Not sure, thinking about it.
Yeah, the site sucked overall. I modified it yet again - changed the colors - balanced it and cut out the busy shit. If you get a chance glance at again, the web site at least looks like I spent a $1.50 on it now!
plornive
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Basically, your website is good as a *prototype*. By this, I mean that the only thing you need to change is the graphics and layout. Make it cleaner looking. Make the graphics more smooth and have a better color coordination scheme.
Most people look at a very well constructed website and think that it must have been done by a good company/organization. A website without a good color scheme and without good graphics will give the impression of an unprofessional organization/person.
Most people look at a very well constructed website and think that it must have been done by a good company/organization. A website without a good color scheme and without good graphics will give the impression of an unprofessional organization/person.
SlavikHavik
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bro your really not listening to what im trying to say. ITs not so much the site... the colours, the pictures are minor details. Its the message and how its said that needs to change. The picture of yourself, the websites asthetics all of that is the final 2%.
Id like to see you do well, but let me put this on common ground.
As a marketing vet; the sort of things your concering yourself with is about the same to me as the new 140lb teenager concerning himself with which type of concentration curl will get him the best peak or some crap like that. Thats what this sounds like to me. your picture is so irrelevant compared to the rest of it. infact the main picture shouldnt even be of you.
Id like to see you do well, but let me put this on common ground.
As a marketing vet; the sort of things your concering yourself with is about the same to me as the new 140lb teenager concerning himself with which type of concentration curl will get him the best peak or some crap like that. Thats what this sounds like to me. your picture is so irrelevant compared to the rest of it. infact the main picture shouldnt even be of you.
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Imnotdutcheither
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Slavik,
I'm no expert but you are making a lot of sense. Jim did include the following line "You will meet your goals or we will train you free until they are met!" but it was hidden. Wouldnt it be best to get that guarantee in early? Make it eye catching?
The links to the various other pages (e.g. ORDER) dont stand out. I would keep those links but put in another link as you said 'ORDER blah blah blah NOW'.
Plateheadjim,
At the moment you have a lot of helpful info on that first page and the important bits are getting lost. It is actually quite hard to find the guarantee and the links.........they dont stand out. The pic of the girl was not an obvious link for me........
I would like to point out that your site is certainly streets ahead of what I coudl do
I'm no expert but you are making a lot of sense. Jim did include the following line "You will meet your goals or we will train you free until they are met!" but it was hidden. Wouldnt it be best to get that guarantee in early? Make it eye catching?
The links to the various other pages (e.g. ORDER) dont stand out. I would keep those links but put in another link as you said 'ORDER blah blah blah NOW'.
Plateheadjim,
At the moment you have a lot of helpful info on that first page and the important bits are getting lost. It is actually quite hard to find the guarantee and the links.........they dont stand out. The pic of the girl was not an obvious link for me........
I would like to point out that your site is certainly streets ahead of what I coudl do
Imnotdutcheither said:Slavik,
I'm no expert but you are making a lot of sense. Jim did include the following line "You will meet your goals or we will train you free until they are met!" but it was hidden. Wouldnt it be best to get that guarantee in early? Make it eye catching?
The links to the various other pages (e.g. ORDER) dont stand out. I would keep those links but put in another link as you said 'ORDER blah blah blah NOW'.
Plateheadjim,
At the moment you have a lot of helpful info on that first page and the important bits are getting lost. It is actually quite hard to find the guarantee and the links.........they dont stand out. The pic of the girl was not an obvious link for me........
I would like to point out that your site is certainly streets ahead of what I coudl do
Once again great advice! I am modifying this constantly and agree that I have ignored the science of marketing. It's easy to do when you struggle just to make sure it doesn't look like a ransom note from a teenage girl!Stay tuned!
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Ok! More work done... maybe it's starting to resemble something that will sell?
Ok! More work done... maybe it's starting to resemble something that will sell?
Very amaturish.
All the little white square pics have to go.
Keep a consistent font.
You need to replace some of your big bold text with Gifs.
Redo the table design.
The text in that red box is way to amature looking.
Your pic has to be higher res.
It looks like a scam because it just does not look professional.
All the little white square pics have to go.
Keep a consistent font.
You need to replace some of your big bold text with Gifs.
Redo the table design.
The text in that red box is way to amature looking.
Your pic has to be higher res.
It looks like a scam because it just does not look professional.
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chewyxrage
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couple suggestions and I just looked at it.
cut down the color scheme to 2 or 3 colors MAX.
make it white and a cool shade of green or blue-
dont change color in the text so much, it's very eye-unappealing.
oh yeah, that picture you have on the main page with the women doing toe touches or whatever- the red graphic in the middle of that is just killing you. it looks really choppy. i suggest adding a box to the very bottem or top of the picture(not smack in the middle) and don't make the background color something like red. make it something more neutral. better yet, make the background the same as in the picture, just add the text in above her head w/ no box in the background.
just trying to help i've built and seen my share of webpages and those were the main things that stuck out at me that I would change.
good luck
cut down the color scheme to 2 or 3 colors MAX.
make it white and a cool shade of green or blue-
dont change color in the text so much, it's very eye-unappealing.
oh yeah, that picture you have on the main page with the women doing toe touches or whatever- the red graphic in the middle of that is just killing you. it looks really choppy. i suggest adding a box to the very bottem or top of the picture(not smack in the middle) and don't make the background color something like red. make it something more neutral. better yet, make the background the same as in the picture, just add the text in above her head w/ no box in the background.
just trying to help
i've built and seen my share of webpages and those were the main things that stuck out at me that I would change.good luck
cheddar cheese
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it looks cheesey
the nature boy
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needs to have a link to tubgirl to generate a stir.
SlavikHavik
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its getting much better jim, but your
no fad diets
yes lifestyle change
it says your not going to pull the same shit other people have pulled on them. However it dosent clearly say why your better.
Put an aspect in your training no other train has mentioned.
(plenty of trainers talk about lifestyle change and support in that change)
A simple forumla for making good marketing
1. Say why your diffrent
2. Clearly state at a grade 5 comprehension level, why your diffrence will benefit them
3. Give them a reason to believe you be it a good guarantee (you have one) or kitchen logic like i explained earlier, testimonials, or all of them There is no evidence that says anything negative about multiple reasons to believe in an advertisement. So when in doubt, add more.
no fad diets
yes lifestyle change
it says your not going to pull the same shit other people have pulled on them. However it dosent clearly say why your better.
Put an aspect in your training no other train has mentioned.
(plenty of trainers talk about lifestyle change and support in that change)
A simple forumla for making good marketing
1. Say why your diffrent
2. Clearly state at a grade 5 comprehension level, why your diffrence will benefit them
3. Give them a reason to believe you be it a good guarantee (you have one) or kitchen logic like i explained earlier, testimonials, or all of them There is no evidence that says anything negative about multiple reasons to believe in an advertisement. So when in doubt, add more.
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