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opinions on pro cycles

bigtravis said:
want to here what kind of cycles you guys think the pros use. include the gear and cycle pattern, please.
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This varies widely, but I've seen some cycles and they are usually around 20 weeks leading into a show. They'll usually run around 3 G's of test, about a G of EQ or Deca, 100-250 mgs/day of an oral like D-Bol, 16-20 IU's of GH/day, slin, and T3. That's before they start their cutting drugs like tren, winstrol, anavar, halo, IGF-1, etc.
 
Here is a cycle from a personal friend. He won Mr. L.A. in 1995 (Light Heavyweight)

2500mg/wk of Sustanon
1000mg/wk of Primobolan
3x50mg Anadrol/day
100x2.5mg Anavar/day

He used no Clen/GH/or T3.

This is just for the Mr. L.A. contest. Use your imagination. His next contest, I believe was either the USA's or the Nationals, and he finished 11th. out of 15. At that point, he started re-thinking his choice of professions.
 
marshallmadman said:
Here is a cycle from a personal friend. He won Mr. L.A. in 1995 (Light Heavyweight)

2500mg/wk of Sustanon
1000mg/wk of Primobolan
3x50mg Anadrol/day
100x2.5mg Anavar/day

He used no Clen/GH/or T3.

This is just for the Mr. L.A. contest. Use your imagination. His next contest, I believe was either the USA's or the Nationals, and he finished 11th. out of 15. At that point, he started re-thinking his choice of professions.
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That looks about right.
 
Makavelli said:
That looks about right.
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This guy ran a Max Muscle store in Venice, and he was in the area for 16 years. The one thing he did mention, although he never tried GH, was that everybody was using tons of it. 10 i.u. is the low end on GH at that level. He claims it's the difference maker.
 
Makavelli said:
This varies widely, but I've seen some cycles and they are usually around 20 weeks leading into a show. They'll usually run around 3 G's of test, about a G of EQ or Deca, 100-250 mgs/day of an oral like D-Bol, 16-20 IU's of GH/day, slin, and T3. That's before they start their cutting drugs like tren, winstrol, anavar, halo, IGF-1, etc.
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Sounds about right. My freind did the Jr Nationals 2 years ago and he was talking to a guy that was using so much GH that he had to eat a jar of peanut putter a day up untill two days out to keep his weight on! Holy crap! So I can imagine how much stuff these Pro's are using.
 
This varies widely, but I've seen some cycles and they are usually around 20 weeks leading into a show. They'll usually run around 3 G's of test, about a G of EQ or Deca, 100-250 mgs/day of an oral like D-Bol, 16-20 IU's of GH/day, slin, and T3. That's before they start their cutting drugs like tren, winstrol, anavar, halo, IGF-1, etc.
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WOW.......thats all i can say. When they arnt using these doses and not on cycle, they must be on HRT right?
 
What seperates pros from everyone else is many things. And it's different for each pro. Genetics is one thing. Dedication is another. The level at which they train (although not for all from what I understand). Money is another. You gotta be able to afford the lefestyle. It could be the trainers and nutritionists they work with as well. IMO opinion though, one facote that seperates the pros from everyone else is their tolerance to the sick amount of drugs they use. Anyone can work their way up with doses, but for the majority, the doses will begin to take its toll on their bodies before they ever reach the doses of the guys on stage at the Olympia.
 
slyder190 said:
What seperates pros from everyone else is many things. And it's different for each pro. Genetics is one thing. Dedication is another. The level at which they train (although not for all from what I understand). Money is another. You gotta be able to afford the lefestyle. It could be the trainers and nutritionists they work with as well. IMO opinion though, one facote that seperates the pros from everyone else is their tolerance to the sick amount of drugs they use. Anyone can work their way up with doses, but for the majority, the doses will begin to take its toll on their bodies before they ever reach the doses of the guys on stage at the Olympia.
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That's pretty true.
 
LT3 said:
WOW.......thats all i can say. When they arnt using these doses and not on cycle, they must be on HRT right?
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That I don't know for sure. I'm sure they are. They have to get bloodwork done often.
 
marshallmadman said:
Here is a cycle from a personal friend. He won Mr. L.A. in 1995 (Light Heavyweight)

2500mg/wk of Sustanon
1000mg/wk of Primobolan
3x50mg Anadrol/day
100x2.5mg Anavar/day

He used no Clen/GH/or T3.

This is just for the Mr. L.A. contest. Use your imagination. His next contest, I believe was either the USA's or the Nationals, and he finished 11th. out of 15. At that point, he started re-thinking his choice of professions.
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I don't know if I'm reading this right, but is that 250mg anavar a day? I would love to see what would happen with that alone!
 
SlimJim300 said:
Maybe he meant to type 10 2.5mg tabs?
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Nope. He specifically told me 1 whole bottle. Back when Searle still made Anavar, it came in bottles of 100 tabs.

A couple more oral examples:

Rich Gaspari-10x50mg Anadrol per day. "I know it's a good cycle when I'm pissin' blood".
Dale Ruplinger-(Mr. Universe 1981) 1 entire bottle of dbol per day. That's 100 5mg tablets.
 
marshallmadman said:
Nope. He specifically told me 1 whole bottle. Back when Searle still made Anavar, it came in bottles of 100 tabs.

A couple more oral examples:

Rich Gaspari-10x50mg Anadrol per day. "I know it's a good cycle when I'm pissin' blood".
Dale Ruplinger-(Mr. Universe 1981) 1 entire bottle of dbol per day. That's 100 5mg tablets.
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yep, they were like 35 "you know what" back around 1988.
 
marshallmadman said:
Dale Ruplinger-(Mr. Universe 1981) 1 entire bottle of dbol per day. That's 100 5mg tablets.
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that reminds me of when Schwarzenegger said in Pumping Iron (interview): we took like 3 dianabol a day...yeah right :verygood:
 
wasnt it arnold that said something magic happened around 200mg dbol/day?

I could be wrong.
 
If you wanna grow on HGH, less than 20i.u is a waste of time and money!
 
For you bros that can't believe the real doses the pros use and think it's BS, I can assure you it's not. How do you think they get that big? That's why I always laugh when someone tells a newbie to use 250 mgs/wk of test for a first cycle. Even though they are not trying to blow up, that low of a dose will next to nothing. My first cycle I used 800 mgs/wk of 2 different AAS.

If you want to look like a pro, the dosages that we are discusing is what it takes. I don't want to be a pro, so I wouldn't take that risk.
 
Makavelli said:
For you bros that can't believe the real doses the pros use and think it's BS, I can assure you it's not. How do you think they get that big? That's why I always laugh when someone tells a newbie to use 250 mgs/wk of test for a first cycle. Even though they are not trying to blow up, that low of a dose will next to nothing. My first cycle I used 800 mgs/wk of 2 different AAS. If you want to look like a pro, these dosages is what it takes. I don't want to be a pro, so I wouldn't take that risk.
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Well said. Genetics do play a part but it's a moot point without the drugs.
 
Well I for one Train under Charles Glass, and know several top athletes in the IFBB. For one Genetics makes up the major portion of their potential for size, Second every guy I know that trains under charles has a completely different regiment. Believe it or not but not every pro uses 10 gms a week. Infact I don't know any. I admit some use incredible amounts but not that much. I do know some guys that havent even hit 3 g's of test a week, Melvin is one of them, and further more I don't know many guys using 20iu's of gh I know plenty using 10-12 iu's though. For the most part a lot of guys stay on year round but not at that high doses. Everyone gets there blood work done every three months or every month for a couple guys.

So to think that "all pro's" use 10G's or tons and tons of shit is rediculas, Like I said I know a guy in the IFBB who will bei n the Mr. O who on ly uses abou 2-3 grams of Test a week along with a few other things in relativley moderate dosages, and then there are guys like Coleman who also obviously stand on the same stage and take God knows how much of anything, no one knows but Ronnie and Chad.
 
2sick said:
Well I for one Train under Charles Glass, and know several top athletes in the IFBB. For one Genetics makes up the major portion of their potential for size, Second every guy I know that trains under charles has a completely different regiment. Believe it or not but not every pro uses 10 gms a week. Infact I don't know any. I admit some use incredible amounts but not that much. I do know some guys that havent even hit 3 g's of test a week, Melvin is one of them, and further more I don't know many guys using 20iu's of gh I know plenty using 10-12 iu's though. For the most part a lot of guys stay on year round but not at that high doses. Everyone gets there blood work done every three months or every month for a couple guys.

So to think that "all pro's" use 10G's or tons and tons of shit is rediculas, Like I said I know a guy in the IFBB who will bei n the Mr. O who on ly uses abou 2-3 grams of Test a week along with a few other things in relativley moderate dosages, and then there are guys like Coleman who also obviously stand on the same stage and take God knows how much of anything, no one knows but Ronnie and Chad.
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Obviously not everyone uses 10 G's a week. The point being that around 5-6 G's is the norm in the pro's. "Only uses 2-3 G's of test" is still a lot of test.
 
Makavelli said:
For you bros that can't believe the real doses the pros use and think it's BS, I can assure you it's not. How do you think they get that big? That's why I always laugh when someone tells a newbie to use 250 mgs/wk of test for a first cycle. Even though they are not trying to blow up, that low of a dose will next to nothing. My first cycle I used 800 mgs/wk of 2 different AAS.

If you want to look like a pro, the dosages that we are discusing is what it takes. I don't want to be a pro, so I wouldn't take that risk.
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take a look at what kevin levrone, wheeler, yates look like now. know yates has been out a lttle longer but need i say more. levrone especially.
 
i was saying BS to the statement about not growing on gh unless u do 20iu or more a day. that's bs. i know the pros use that much. i know a guy since we're little. he juiced his ass off hard for many years, then competed and got his pro card. back then in about 95 he was doing 12-16iu/day before he turned pro. he was real short, but jacked. did 1 show, night of champions in about 96-97, came in 17th. i heard he told his brother he gave up on professional bb because he knows how much shit he took to get where he was, and he said the thought of what he would have to do as a pro, and being short, was too much for him. he had kidney and BB problems years before he was pro.
 
hanibal said:
i was saying BS to the statement about not growing on gh unless u do 20iu or more a day. that's bs. i know the pros use that much. i know a guy since we're little. he juiced his ass off hard for many years, then competed and got his pro card. back then in about 95 he was doing 12-16iu/day before he turned pro. he was real short, but jacked. did 1 show, night of champions in about 96-97, came in 17th. i heard he told his brother he gave up on professional bb because he knows how much shit he took to get where he was, and he said the thought of what he would have to do as a pro, and being short, was too much for him. he had kidney and BB problems years before he was pro.
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Right. I agree with that.
 
Paul Baker's cycle is laughable. People on their first cycles take more than he does. And he weighs 320lbs with abs. I have posted it before on here.

Another pro that I know personally is at the 4 grams per week mark. And he has never cracked the top 15 either. He runs a personal training/massage/ocean exercise/muscle worship/rug cleaning business. I hired him for a massage once and became friends with him. He is very open about his use too. He usually starts his clients he personal trains out at the 1.5-2 gram weekly mark. These are people who have never touched anything stronger than creatine before. Some of them just blow right up, and like good advertising, brings him in more clients.

And I haven't met a pro yet that claims to use more than 20ius of GH daily. And I have met some that talk very openly about their medication regimine.
 
Makavelli said:
Obviously not everyone uses 10 G's a week. The point being that around 5-6 G's is the norm in the pro's. "Only uses 2-3 G's of test" is still a lot of test.
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Hey, dont forget about all the pro's that are so genetically gifted that they never take more than 500mg. I hear that one all the time :rolleyes: .
 
Makavelli said:
Obviously not everyone uses 10 G's a week. The point being that around 5-6 G's is the norm in the pro's. "Only uses 2-3 G's of test" is still a lot of test.
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Yeah and only using 2-3g per week is the exception not the rule.
 
wait a minute guys; ronnie said he was lifetime natural on larry king!

please don't tell me he was lying; that would blow my mind.

:evil:
 
nishnish said:
wait a minute guys; ronnie said he was lifetime natural on larry king!

please don't tell me he was lying; that would blow my mind.

:evil:
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Actually if you listen to what Ronnie says, he doesn't say he's natural. He says that he's passed every drug test that he's ever taken. Not really saying that he's natural and not lying. He has passed every drug test...for coke and weed... ;)
 
Makavelli said:
Actually if you listen to what Ronnie says, he doesn't say he's natural. He says that he's passed every drug test that he's ever taken. Not really saying that he's natural and not lying. He has passed every drug test...for coke and weed... ;)
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I may even buy him natural when he turned pro, 5' 10" 215lbs, at the World Championships which is suppsed tested like the T.U.
 
I only ever chatted juice with one pro, who was actually not big at all - his cycles ran about $4k a month. (including gh which bumped it way up)

as a side I've been wondering what the supplement regimes of guys like batista look like, wrestlers are gettin big these days.
 
with all the shit pros are supposed to use, I wonder why none of them are bald-headed (Jay, Günther, Badell, Markus etc.) super-sized-zit-wearing, impotent freaks with sunflower seed-sized balls?

Are they using accutane/proscar/viagra like it is some sort of candy or what?
 
Gooseman said:
with all the shit pros are supposed to use, I wonder why none of them are bald-headed (Jay, Günther, Badell, Markus etc.) super-sized-zit-wearing, impotent freaks with sunflower seed-sized balls?

Are they using accutane/proscar/viagra like it is some sort of candy or what?
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baldness is completely genetic, and hereditary. zits and acne are also dependant on the person. and how do u know how big their balls are?
 
alltraps said:
baldness is completely genetic, and hereditary. zits and acne are also dependant on the person. and how do u know how big their balls are?
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well, seeing them in those tiny posing trunks makes it somehow obvious...or some of them are stuffing an old sock into their "suit"
 
i read an interview with a pro BB not to long ago, he said the drugs you take to be the top 5 in the olympia are about the same the only thing that makes 1st-5th place is genetics... yearly pro's could spend anywere from 60-100grand on gear(includingGH), really if pros went off GH, they would save SO MUCH MONEY! a friend of mine wants to go pro, who doesnt, i wish the best for him, his taking 2g of test, 500mgtren, 500mgeq, 100mgdbol/day, 100mgwinny/day(after the D), plus slin and clen...ive done alot of cycles. i actually started way to young, depending on opinion though... my friend who im talking about however started when he was 15!!! hes 21 now... 250lbs9%, and what blows me away is that he actually knocked up his gf a year ago??? while on cycle???? and hes been this size since he was 17, and really never gone off... which shocked everyone(even him ha), but i think its just so sad that these pro's will never get to have kids, i dont know i dont have any im young and def dont need any right now, but i would love to have some later in life, to think that you cant have a family... that scares me more than anything...? ronnie might be king? but whos at his side, no one...no wife, hardley ever has gf? seems really lonely....
 
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