One more newbie cycle

[pra23]

23 years old, 5'10'', 230 pounds, 2 years training seriously, 5 since I started lifting weighting. Well, I'm planning on doing my first cycle, that is:
- Sustanon: 500 mg/week, during weeks 1-8
- Deca: 400 mg/week, weeks 1-8
- Stanozolol: 40 mg/day, weeks 1-6
- Omifin: 2 tabs/day, weeks 1-10
- Tamoxifen: 2 tabs/day, weeks 1-8
Of course, eating a lot, good supplementation, rest...
What do you think? Opinions, please.
Thanks in advance

 

[25homes]

For one you wont really need to take nolva the whole time....Move the winny to the end of the cycle...IMO 8 weeks for deca is too short need atleast 12 weeks also extend your test to 12 weeks sust can take 5-6 weeks to really kick in...IMO you really dont need the deca for your first cycle save it for another time....my first I would jump start with like 30mg dbal for 3-4 weeks

 

[cyrex]

No

1) Most will say just the sust 500mg/week for 10 weeks will do a body good

2) If you stack the test with some deca, only go with 300mg/week on the deca for your first go-round

3) Winny seems kinda scary to me to be running on a first cycle witht he sides that are possible from it

the nolva and clomid tabs are ??mg/tab?

also why running them both throughout the cycle? Why not toss those out of the way until PCT and run arimidex at .5mg/day

If it were me I'd definitely drop the winny, run .5mg/arimidex EOD or ED depending on how much bloat I notice. Just do the Sust @ 500mg/week for 10 weeks followed with PCT using your omifin (clomid) and tamoxifen (nolva)

Also what is your BF%?

 

[Mr.X]

23 years old, 5'10'', 230 pounds, 2 years training seriously, 5 since I started lifting weighting. Well, I'm planning on doing my first cycle, that is:
- Sustanon: 500 mg/week, during weeks 1-8
- Deca: 400 mg/week, weeks 1-8
- Stanozolol: 40 mg/day, weeks 1-6
- Omifin: 2 tabs/day, weeks 1-10
- Tamoxifen: 2 tabs/day, weeks 1-8
Of course, eating a lot, good supplementation, rest...
What do you think? Opinions, please.
Thanks in advance

You don't need nolvadex for the whole cycle, stick to arimidex ED at .5mgs. why are you running Omifin (clomid) the whole cycle? The same applies here as my nolvadex comment. Overall, your cycle, looks good, sust + deca, can't go wrong.

here is a good article on anti-e differences: read more...

 

[pra23]

Sorry.Omifin: 50 mg/tabs and Tamoxifen: 10 mg tabs
I run with them throughout the cycle for prevent gyno, testicular atrophy... The man who helped me to plan my cycle suggested me that. But thanks for the opinions, I will tell him that.
I dont know my body fat, but it must be around 10-12 %
Why move the winny at the end of the cycle? I haven't seen that in my "studies".
Thanks again. This is a fantastic forum, maybe the best I've seen. Thanks

 

[brandonp005]

i wouldn't run that much for a first cycle.....just stick with test alone and you will see great gains....save the deca and winny for your next cycle...


you move the winny to the end of the cycle to dry out and solidify all your gains....helps take care of the water retention that will occur with the deca and test

 

[25homes]

Sorry.Omifin: 50 mg/tabs and Tamoxifen: 10 mg tabs
I run with them throughout the cycle for prevent gyno, testicular atrophy... The man who helped me to plan my cycle suggested me that. But thanks for the opinions, I will tell him that.
I dont know my body fat, but it must be around 10-12 %
Why move the winny at the end of the cycle? I haven't seen that in my "studies".
Thanks again. This is a fantastic forum, maybe the best I've seen. Thanks
Today 12:01 PM

Bro if you havent seen this than you need to do more research...clomid and nolva at the end unless there are signs of gyno...then start nolva...winny at the end is very common bro

 

[shoestring]

Way too much gear for a first cycle imo. I would use test only and less than 500mg per week. But at 5'10'' and 230 with 2 years of training that can't be all muscle . A really jacked up natural dude is prolly more like 195 at 5'10''. I would get the bf down to 12% max if I was you. Otherwise you are gonna wind up looking like a blob. Good luck.

 

[Mr.X]

I'm just goin to redo the cycle for him:

week 1-10:
250mgs sust per week
300mgs deca per week
.25mgs arimidex ED

keep nolvadex on hand in case of gyno

PCT 4 weeks
If you're worried about testicular atrophy, run 500IUs of HCG for 10 days.
week 1: .25mgs arimidex EOD
week 1-2: 40mgs nolvadex ED
week 3-4: 20mgs nolvadex ED

 

[slat1]

Your first cycle is going to be bigger than any I have ever done!

 

[Harder N Leaner]

mr. x, wouldnt it be better to keep the test mgs higher that the deca mgs? Its just what I have been seeing around here...

 

[cyrex]

I'm just goin to redo the cycle for him:

week 1-10:
250mgs sust per week
300mgs deca per week
.25mgs arimidex ED

keep nolvadex on hand in case of gyno

PCT 4 weeks
If you're worried about testicular atrophy, run 500IUs of HCG for 10 days.
week 1: .25mgs arimidex EOD
week 1-2: 40mgs nolvadex ED
week 3-4: 20mgs nolvadex ED

That looks good...
Or even just 500mg Sust and save the deca...

 

[mr. snakes]

pra23:

Run Deca & Sus for 12wks, 8 is a little too short.........

 

[jumpshot]

I'm just goin to redo the cycle for him:

week 1-10:
250mgs sust per week
300mgs deca per week
.25mgs arimidex ED

keep nolvadex on hand in case of gyno

PCT 4 weeks
If you're worried about testicular atrophy, run 500IUs of HCG for 10 days.
week 1: .25mgs arimidex EOD
week 1-2: 40mgs nolvadex ED
week 3-4: 20mgs nolvadex ED

When do you recommend he run the hcg?

 

[brandonp005]

When do you recommend he run the hcg?

a lot run during mid cycle cause thats when they start noticing atrophy

 

[Mr.X]

mr. x, wouldnt it be better to keep the test mgs higher that the deca mgs? Its just what I have been seeing around here...

ideally, you'd want to go with a straight test cycle, but it seemed like the guy wanted to stack sust+deca, so I worked it out that way. You can switch it up to just 500mgs of sust/wk.

 

[jumpshot]

a lot run during mid cycle cause thats when they start noticing atrophy

that's really up for debate. not too long ago I suggested that same thing (based on my research) and peeps got hostile. all i know is common sense to me says during, not after, but I'm no scientist.

 

[pra23]

I thought the same (is better preventing that wait until it begin to atrophy), but well, I'm not a expert.
Thanks, maye I will run a 12 weeks cycle

 

[Juicta]

Hi bud,

This guy that helped you with your stack I don't know so much about his advice or knowledge in this arena, there are allot of knowledgeable people here and Mr.X is one of them, my very 1st cycle was a 200mg Test cyp and a little dbol for 10weeks and the results were mind blowing, also agree with the X man that you do not need to run nolva etc through the whole course, just keep it in your pocket and use as needed, apart from that a normal Deca / Test course IMO is the best way to go, its my Fav stack the quantities just go up a little when you get older...

 

[pra23]

And, if I run with nolva and clomid during the cycle, would it be safer for preventing gyno..., or not? Would it down the possible benefits of the cycle?
For Shoestring: Like I said, I dont know exactly my bf, but it must be around 10 - 12 %. Today I weighted 231 pounds exactly, and I can still see my abs right good. Do you think I must down my weight before I start my cycle? (that is what I understood you, but English is not my first language)
Thanks.

 

[Only1eagle]

I would suggest just going with the sust for the first go around. You will get a huge boost out of just that. Then when you plan on your next cycle add in the deca.

My opinion is that a person needs to step up to a certain point. You start with so much the next time youll need even more etc.
Start small and move your way up bro!

 

[BOWTECH]

Test and Deca is a great first cycle. That was the first cycle I ever ran with great results. Went with 10 weeks

 

[pra23]

Thanks very much for your answers
Maybe I will reserve winny, and possible deca also for next cycle.
Anyway, which ones were your results with cycles like that? (sust & deca, sust&deca%winny...). Sorry, maybe I should have open a new threads
God bless you