Listen to me when I say to stay away from these drugs unless you need them for a severe injury. They are very, very addictive and they will sap your motivation and wreck your life. You have probably heard horror stories about guys being destroyed by nubain. Well nubain is mild compared to vicoden and percocet. If you are also refering to hydromorphone(dilaudid) you are fucking crazy. Dilaudid is basically pharmacutical heroin. I have gone through these drugs. I started with nubain, progressed to vicoden, percocet, morphine and heroin. When I started taking nubain I was a top national level middleweight and I had placed 3rd at the npc usa. By the end I was 160 pounds and ended up in a detox. I am clean now and trying to make a comeback in bodybuilding. But I wish to god that I never touched that shit. It was a living fucking nightmare. I never had a problem with drugs before but these drugs you are talking about are powerful and will hook you.