Omnipresence.

[K2_Exotech]

Wondering:
Would an omni presence rely on such a thing as touch/sight/smell/tone?

I was thinking and to be able to percieve all things at once, using these traits would not be possible seeing as how it uses a large quantity of brain to use all these properly. Imagine the size of the brain an Omni-presence would have. I'm not suggesting one exists, but, if one wee to exist, what sensory would it use to know the world around it? and how would it come into being? this is absolutely cooking my brain, and I'm coming up with no results, except that it has only one mind function, and through that mind function is to utilize a small portion of a subject/host brain/mind, as a sub-conscious, always telling it when , what to do, and also receiving messages, and knowing the interpreted messages of the subject/host. Only, if that is what it's primary brain function was. I doubt an omni-prescnece could move any part of it's body, if it even had any kind of sensory to pain, cold, heat, light, sound, taste, etc...

 

[K2_Exotech]

Are you telling me that none of you have ever had a thought about a being that knew all from one location? Or possibly a god figure?

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Well, it's likely that an omnipresent entity would also be omniscient -- and as such, would not have need of the things humans are limited by. It might or might not have a body to move... likely it wouldn't.

I would think of it more in the terms of wind, water, fire and earth... How do those things move, sense, feel and know?

The mechanisms by which such an entity would operate are surely beyond us, otherwise, we would be omnipresent ourselves...

 

[Lao Tzu]

i doubt it. the 4 senses you listed describe a finite goal & ability to descriminate (does this make sense?)

tone, for example, falls under certain pitches. assuming that it is the all, there is no limit to the pitch it can process.

im having trouble explaining this. hmmm

sight involves discrimination & a finite perception. i assume omnipresence doesn't have either. but then again, it would have to or it wouldn't be omnipresent.

so no.

 

[HappyScrappy]

I'm, as usual, with nordstrum on this one.
by definition, if you are omnipotent, you have no need for any senses aside from that.

on the other hand - if you are impotent, than you need all you can get.

 

[Warik]

The senses are nothing more than a handicap.

One thing, however... an omnipresence is not necessarily likely to be omniscient. Just because one is present everywhere does not mean that one is all-knowing. Hey, I'm "omnipresent" in my body and I don't know about the booger that's going to obstruct my breathing until the mother fucker does so.

-Warik

 

[HappyScrappy]

The senses are nothing more than a handicap.

One thing, however... an omnipresence is not necessarily likely to be omniscient. Just because one is present everywhere does not mean that one is all-knowing. Hey, I'm "omnipresent" in my body and I don't know about the booger that's going to obstruct my breathing until the mother fucker does so.

-Warik

this is common discussion in college philo 101 classes

 

[Warik]

this is common discussion in college philo 101 classes

No... common discussion in philo 101 class is the teacher telling me that existence is not a characteristic.

Me: "Do you exist?"

Teacher: "Yes."

Me: "Congratulations, you can be characterized as something that exists."

Teacher: "IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY"

Me: "Prove it."

She proved it by telling me that a unicorn is a horse with a big horn that exists. Apparently, you can create things out of thin air - after all, that's how Plato came up with his absurd "Theory of the Forms." What a joke.

After having taken this class, I will be comfortable in life equating "I have my Ph.D. in Philosophy" to having a Ph.D. in Astrology, Alchemy, History, Hospitality, or English (sorry Blair ).

Thank God I don't have to pay for that class.

-Warik

 

[HappyScrappy]

ha haa!
yeah, should have clarified - sounds an awful lot like a discussion in a philo 101 class at my school back in the day.

 

[buksoon]

She proved it by telling me that a unicorn is a horse with a big horn that exists.

My philosophy teacher said of unicorns: Do not play leapfrog with them.

Okay, not really. (Never took philosophy.)

 

[smallmovesal]

i never took it either but we took a lot of philosophy of aesthetics and i loved that stuff...

 

[Taps]

Don't you fucking people watch Star Trek?

Q was an omni presence and he wasn't a physical being. Remember when he sent Picard back in time...and Picard changed a bunch of shit...and then went back to the present and he was everyones bitch, running around in that faggy blue uniform? An omni presence could exist in every time, simultaniously. So really...such a presence would have no use for the limiting confines of a physical body. Wouldn't need senses either.

Time, space, thought, matter, and energy would be interchangeable.

 

[minion]

I think omnipresence is better defined with mathmatical theories. For example quantum physics, or string theory.
In such personification as listing sense's you loose the scope and magnitude of the question being asked.

In actuality what's being asked in this thread is, "Can you have an instance of omnipresence and still be able to be limited"? That answer would be NO, not in the same instance at least. If it were true omnipresence I don't believe it would be self aware. Since conscience is such a limiting factor.

http://www.qubit.org/people/david/David.html

Here's a link if you like this type of stuff.

 

[minion]

Actually I take some of that back. Buddhism does a real good job of explaining these concepts too.

 

[Warik]

Don't you fucking people watch Star Trek?

Q was an omni presence and he wasn't a physical being.

Q was the best. I just downloaded like 5 episodes of TNG with Q in them. What always amused me about Q was the fact that he was always asking Picard questions. Isn't he supposed to be all-knowing and all-powerful?

-Warik

 

[Lao Tzu]

Q was the best. I just downloaded like 5 episodes of TNG with Q in them. What always amused me about Q was the fact that he was always asking Picard questions. Isn't he supposed to be all-knowing and all-powerful?

-Warik

and if he's so all knowing, why does he need to find amusement? can't he figure out what amusement is and why it exists, then either switch it on or off with some sort of power?

 

[danielson]

Q was the best. I just downloaded like 5 episodes of TNG with Q in them. What always amused me about Q was the fact that he was always asking Picard questions. Isn't he supposed to be all-knowing and all-powerful?

-Warik

that was like the big mystery though wasn't it. picard being something more than your bog standard captain in the future. Q didnt really give 2 shits about the other captains and that last episode he's suckin picards dick at the end (i.e. saying picards gonna be something really great).

 

[Warik]

that was like the big mystery though wasn't it. picard being something more than your bog standard captain in the future. Q didnt really give 2 shits about the other captains and that last episode he's suckin picards dick at the end (i.e. saying picards gonna be something really great).

Maybe Picard is supposed to become Q in the afterlife or something. Speaking of becoming Q, am I the only one who thinks Riker was a dumb shit for refusing the gift way back in the series? I would have taken it.

-Warik

 

[Warik]

and if he's so all knowing, why does he need to find amusement? can't he figure out what amusement is and why it exists, then either switch it on or off with some sort of power?

True... but it's "just not the same." Telling a joke about "a guy walks into a bar" is not even remotely as funny as watching the actual guy walk into the bar and do dumb shit.

-Warik

 

[danielson]

Maybe Picard is supposed to become Q in the afterlife or something. Speaking of becoming Q, am I the only one who thinks Riker was a dumb shit for refusing the gift way back in the series? I would have taken it.

-Warik

totally....retard or what. or at least before you give it up spend a few weeks or so creating whatever you want. like a 'ho train which accompanies you and throws rose petals in front of you whenever you walk on the bridge....and replicate to troi's so he can tell the other one to feck off.....then give it up. dudes a retard.

yeah, i have a feeling Q's got something planned for picard he pretty much said so. maybe it affects all of humanity or the Q continum or something who knows.

sisko was the best IMHO.....dudes a bad ass....cardassians dont wanna get off the planet, fine. he launches 2 radioactive warheads into the atmosphere polluting their water supply Picard wold probably beam down to the planet with a pot of earl grey

 

[Lao Tzu]

True... but it's "just not the same." Telling a joke about "a guy walks into a bar" is not even remotely as funny as watching the actual guy walk into the bar and do dumb shit.

-Warik

but if he is all knowing he knows why it is funnier to watch it.

anyway, if i was all knowing, i sure as fuck wouldn't be a slave to my emotions anymore. i wouldn't wander the universe seeking to appease/avoid my emotions. i would turn them on & shut them off at will.

 

[Warik]

sisko was the best IMHO.....dudes a bad ass....

Lol... I never really saw DS9, but my friend's comparison of Sisko, Picard, and Janeway led me to believe that Sisko was cool.

Ship meets a hostile presence...

Janeway: "Tuvok, open a channel and let's be pussies until the shields fail."

Picard: "Shields up... power up all weapon, open a channel."

Sisko: "DAMNIT WORF! WHY AREN'T YOU FIRING YET?"

-Warik

 

[danielson]

they tried to mak it some faggotty story about life on a space station, and when that bombed they decided to make it about a big ass warship and an enemy. then it got good as they could finally leave that freaking station and do kewl shit.

your friend made a good comparison. he left out kirk. kirk would invite them on board and then try and hump one of the females

 

[Taps]

You nerds.

Next Gen was fucking awsome. It's on every night on TNN...they even had a Q marathon the other weekend. Man, did Q ever fuck with Picard...and Picard had to take it like a bitch. lol I always thought they should do the next ST movie with Q as the villan.

DS9 was ok...but I hated Sisko.

Voyager sucked ass. Janeway was a fucking joke as captain. The Q episodes were funny though.

The new Enterprise is actually not bad. I can see it getting really good after a season or two. And that vulcan bitch is smokin hot!

 

[K2_Exotech]

So what your all saying is that Omniprescence has no physical embodiment?

I agree. I believe Omniprescnece, as i said in my previous post, is a small portion of a host brain, which would be everyone. Such as if god exists, he IS evolution. Do you understand what I mean? God of christianity, did not say, damnit, lets create some earth I'm bored, and it magically appear. He is the form called evolution, and he created it through evolution. He evolved, and evolved, and evolved, until finally. he reached food webs, and web of life all dependant on one another, for self amusement, or possibly some other reason which I choose not to debate.

When I say Omniprescence is a part of your brain, I don't mean, he is actually, a lobe of any kind, it would reside within your mind. hence it experiences eveything you do, and knows all through this. That would be it's one, and only primary function. I do not believe it could be that mentally capable, and be able to move about, or inhibit a body of it's own. The material it is made up of though vexes me. Please learn me further. Even give me your own theories soI can contrast them to my own, and come up with the most capable answer possible.

 

[K2_Exotech]

bump

 

[Lao Tzu]

i love the lore episodes (data's evil brother). my next favorite are the Q episodes. my all time favorite episode was 'parallels' where warf discovers parallel universes.

You nerds.

Next Gen was fucking awsome. It's on every night on TNN...they even had a Q marathon the other weekend. Man, did Q ever fuck with Picard...and Picard had to take it like a bitch. lol I always thought they should do the next ST movie with Q as the villan.

DS9 was ok...but I hated Sisko.

Voyager sucked ass. Janeway was a fucking joke as captain. The Q episodes were funny though.

The new Enterprise is actually not bad. I can see it getting really good after a season or two. And that vulcan bitch is smokin hot!