thats the first gear i really used besides dbol and fina, about 3 weeks and you will start noticing, the only thing i really didnt like about it was that i got a rounded muscular look, those muscles will start to look like water filled balloons, if you will, so i just did a shit load of cardio and took alot of pottasium so get that water out of there once i was finished with the cycle to give me more definition