old topic - new discussion Test/Deca/EQ

[1392477]

I am looking into my next cycle and have been doing some research into stacks using Test / Deca / EQ.

There is so much conflicting information on the subject I wanted to get some specific examples of people who have used them or combinations of them. Some say test is best, others to avoid it. Some swear by Deca others hate the 'deca dick' that can come with. I have read about deca/EQ cycles and some positive feedback but then some say you have to run everything with test. it's all very confusing.

Using some or all of the following ingredients please give your recommended cycle:

Test Prop
Nandrolone
EQ
Proviron tabs
Winstrol tabs

My thoughs were to run the test for 10 weeks, the deca and eq for 12 weeks the proviron weeks 4 through 9 and the winnie for the last 4 weeks. PCT to use Clomid 2 - 3 weeks in descending dosage starting week 14, keeping nolva on hand just in case.

Goal: 10 - 15 lbs of high quality lean muscle.

37 y/o 248# @ 10.5% bf - lifting for 20 years on and off

Thank you in advance for sharing your experiences.

 

[P-CURLS]

test prop 1-12 300mgs, eq 1-12 500 mgs, winstrol 8-12 350 mgs, PCT to follow. If you switch to test e, you can shoot once a week, and run liquidex at .5 mgs a day. With prop you will need to shoot 3-4 times a wk.

 

[nydj66]

I'm inferrring from your post that this will be your first cycle.

First, EQ and Deca both have long half-lives so you might as well pair that up with test-E and inject twice weekly (I think once weekly isn't often enough for test-E). Test-E is also less expensive than prop.

Second, most men will get more bang for their buck from deca than from EQ. And by running test with deca (test at a higher dosage) most men will avoid deca dick.

Third, proviron is expensive and a pretty poor anti-estrogen. Arimidex is a much better way to go. So my recommended cycle is below:

Cycle:
wk 1-12 250mg Test-E twice weekly (500mg/wk)
wk 1-12 200mg deca twice weekly (400mg/wk)
wk 1-12 0.5mg/day arimidex

PCT:
wk 13-15 1,000IU HCG M,W,F
wk 13-18 20mg/day nolvadex
wk 16-18 50mg/day clomid

If your nipples get sore or itchy while on the cycle, up your arimidex to 1mg/day (for the rest of the cycle) and take 40mg/day of nolvadex until the symptoms go away. You should have the nolva on hand since you'll need it for PCT anyway.

You've already got quite a bit of muscle which is why I recommended a higher dose for a first cycle than most beginners would run. I also wouldn't recommend adding any more gear to the first cycle. If you run a first cycle with 4 compounds and have a bad reaction you'll have no idea which one caused it. Typically testosterone alone should be run for a first cycle.

And for what it's worth, I started using AAS at 37.

 

[1392477]

I have done an oral only cycle before but this would be my first with stacking gear. I know test / deca / dbol is supposed to be the ultimate bulking cycle but I am not interested in the bloat or the sides that go with dbol.

I have had success with var and tbol in the past.

I am really looking for more of the debate of using just EQ and deca versus running test / deca / EQ. I know deca and EQ are longer acting but come with less sides than the test.

Could I get 10 lbs of quality muscle with just EQ and deca and leave the test out or would i get better results just running test / deca and adex for the sides?

 

[boxerjake]

What alot of guys don't understand is the receptor itself and how upregulation takes place .... it would take ten pages to explain receptors so i'll leave the research in your own hands .

The one small piece of information i will leave with you that pertains to " stacking gear " is .... certain steroids compete for the same receptor site so taking them together is both a waste and a sure way to clog the receptor even quicker then with a single substance ....

Old school thinking that still works today uses test pretty much as the base of all cycles ( if you can tolorate it ) and then the addition of another compound depending of the goals of the cycle , as certain steroids are way more anabolic then others or DHT derivitive ...

Homework homework homework ... lol

 

[jmt24]

dont take deca and eq together. use one or the other. i would just do a straight test cycle for 10-12 weeks at 500mg/week since this is your first injectable cycle.

 

[nydj66]

I have done an oral only cycle before but this would be my first with stacking gear. I know test / deca / dbol is supposed to be the ultimate bulking cycle but I am not interested in the bloat or the sides that go with dbol.

I have had success with var and tbol in the past.

I am really looking for more of the debate of using just EQ and deca versus running test / deca / EQ. I know deca and EQ are longer acting but come with less sides than the test.

Could I get 10 lbs of quality muscle with just EQ and deca and leave the test out or would i get better results just running test / deca and adex for the sides?

I think you'd have a very high likelyhood of having major libido problems on a deca/EQ cycle even with proviron. A test/deca cycle on the other hand will make you a walking hard-on. It will also yield more gains for the money.

And, with the right dosage of a-dex (found by trial and error) bloat will not be an issue at all.