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Old topic....2-3 week cycles

Vascular Freak

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anyone have any luck with this??? obviously using compounds like prop/tren ace/mast/var/winstrol etc? i like short esters but can't tolerate the ed or eod sticks for so long.....2-3 weeks on followed by 2-3 weeks off clomid/hcg seems like it would be good but how is that on the body? as far as hpta and acne and all that from fluctuating hormone?
 
nelson was an advocate of 4 week cycles... so i guess you'll have to wait for him to share his views.

i remember this mega thread for 2 week cycles, can't remember who was the protagonist there.
 
Vascular Freak said:
i remember those threads back in the day too....thanks for the info bro....
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I am actually considering this myself as of late. I did 20 weeks of test e but as of late guys here are starting to wear on me and it feels like shorter bursts are the way to go.
 
It's importatnt for people to realize WHY one would do a short cycle. It's meant to capiitalize on the training spurts that occur naturally. Using anabolics can make the most of those spurts with virtually no supression. It's a sort of adjunct to natural training -- by cheating a little bit.

I won't get into the short ester thing. Short esters simply have a shorter half life. They do not work much more quickly and they do not build muscle faster. I think this is one of those myths that will last a long time. It's okay, I can think of about a dozen others I've dispelled that took 10 years before it became accepted thought.

If you're looking for massive gains, don't bother with short cycles. But if you're esentially a natural trainer I believe you can do a few short cycles -- get in and out -- and slowly over time you can add more muscle than you would have had you never used anabolics.

Another advantsge of short cycles is the body "holds" the muscle better. People have the mistaken impression that staying on longer allows the muscle to solidify, but the opposite is true. The longer your body is dependant on the artificial enhancement, the less likely it is to maintain homeostatsis without it. And besides, a gain of 7-8 pound is easy to hold. But a gain of 30 pounds is always lost after a few months of being natural. (Or replaced with fat).

I DO NOT ADVOCATE 2 WEEK CYCLES. That was a gimmick started by an old Meso writer who often plagerized my work and re-wrote it with a bunch of psuedo scientific claptrap to appear as if he was above and beyond the intellect of everyone else. 2 week cycles are crap. He also recommened going back on after 2 weeks which is even dumber. But he sure used big words and lots of graphs, charts, and diagrams.

All in all, this appraoch is similar to what the old tmers did. They'd do short cycles before a show, then go off afterward. Yet, they got better year after year. They admitted that the little boost they got stayed with them. I understand times have changed. Everyone wants everything NOW. And chances are they won't even be interested in lifting weights a year from now. Short cycles are better suited for the guy who's been at it for a while, and plans on staying at it for a long time.




And oh yeah; 2 compounds. That's it. An anabolic and an androgen. I used to recommend one of two choice -- Either deca and winny (a combo that makes sense because winny negates some of the nasty deca sides). I wouldn't advise it now though. The other choice was Primo and d-bol -- which to this day, I still believe is the best stack you can use.
 
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right on nelson....i suit the bill well for short cycles BUT i always like to run prop in all cycles otherwise my sex drive falls apart so i am thinking short 4 week "bursts" with prop/winstrol....prop/tren......prop/mast/var etc????

and also what kind of pct would you run??....the same as for longer cycles?
 
Vascular Freak said:
right on nelson....i suit the bill well for short cycles BUT i always like to run prop in all cycles otherwise my sex drive falls apart so i am thinking short 4 week "bursts" with prop/winstrol....prop/tren......prop/mast/var etc????

and also what kind of pct would you run??....the same as for longer cycles?
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That depends on what you consider "the same." You won't need HCG for such a short cycle. I hate clomid. I'd suggest a little a-dex 1/4 tab EOD for a week or so after the cycle to avoid some estro backlash. After that, I'd just use some supps.

(In the past I've mentions natural ingredients to help with recovery. Since then, I put them in a formula but the problem is if I recommend tham now I'm promoting a product and people don't like that -- or more accurately, some people will complain about it).

Mast and winny work almost the same way so it's redundant. Mast and var would be better but you won't get very big. But what you get with be high quality. Tren is a dick killer so I'd avoid it altogether. I liked sus and var and sus and primo tabs but they were ridiculously expensive.
 
Nelson Montana said:
That depends on what you consider "the same." You won't need HCG for such a short cycle. I hate clomid. I'd suggest a little a-dex 1/4 tab EOD for a week or so after the cycle to avoid some estro backlash. After that, I'd just use some supps.

(In the past I've mentions natural ingredients to help with recovery. Since then, I put them in a formula but the problem is if I recommend tham now I'm promoting a product and people don't like that -- or more accurately, some people will complain about it).

Mast and winny work almost the same way so it's redundant. Mast and var would be better but you won't get very big. But what you get with be high quality. Tren is a dick killer so I'd avoid it altogether. I liked sus and var and sus and primo tabs but they were ridiculously expensive.
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You mean products like Postcycle, Unleashed, Myogenx, and Derma?

hehe
 
Nelson Montana said:
It's importatnt for people to realize WHY one would do a short cycle. It's meant to capiitalize on the training spurts that occur naturally. Using anabolics can make the most of those spurts with virtually no supression. It's a sort of adjunct to natural training -- by cheating a little bit.

I won't get into the short ester thing. Short esters simply have a shorter half life. They do not work much more quickly and they do not build muscle faster. I think this is one of those myths that will last a long time. It's okay, I can think of about a dozen others I've dispelled that took 10 years before it became accepted thought.

If you're looking for massive gains, don't bother with short cycles. But if you're esentially a natural trainer I believe you can do a few short cycles -- get in and out -- and slowly over time you can add more muscle than you would have had you never used anabolics.

Another advantsge of short cycles is the body "holds" the muscle better. People have the mistaken impression that staying on longer allows the muscle to solidify, but the opposite is true. The longer your body is dependant on the artificial enhancement, the less likely it is to maintain homeostatsis without it. And besides, a gain of 7-8 pound is easy to hold. But a gain of 30 pounds is always lost after a few months of being natural. (Or replaced with fat).

I DO NOT ADVOCATE 2 WEEK CYCLES. That was a gimmick started by an old Meso writer who often plagerized my work and re-wrote it with a bunch of psuedo scientific claptrap to appear as if he was above and beyond the intellect of everyone else. 2 week cycles are crap. He also recommened going back on after 2 weeks which is even dumber. But he sure used big words and lots of graphs, charts, and diagrams.

All in all, this appraoch is similar to what the old tmers did. They'd do short cycles before a show, then go off afterward. Yet, they got better year after year. They admitted that the little boost they got stayed with them. I understand times have changed. Everyone wants everything NOW. And chances are they won't even be interested in lifting weights a year from now. Short cycles are better suited for the guy who's been at it for a while, and plans on staying at it for a long time.




And oh yeah; 2 compounds. That's it. An anabolic and an androgen. I used to recommend one of two choice -- Either deca and winny (a combo that makes sense because winny negates some of the nasty deca sides). I wouldn't advise it now though. The other choice was Primo and d-bol -- which to this day, I still believe is the best stack you can use.
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That is a half truth. test propionate has more test than test enanthate does. It has something to do with the ester weight being lighter in the propionate, allowing for more hormone per ml. I'll try to find the site I read it on.
 
as I remember right, Realgains was the biggest advocate of short cycles. one thread in particular comes to mind. maybe someone can pull those from the depths
 
Nelson, fast-acting oral steroids such as Dianabol, Anavar, and Winstrol and fast-acting injectables such as Testosterone Propionate/Suspension and NPP, DO BUILD MUSCLE FASTER than their long-ester counterparts, because they reach peak blood level concentrations FASTER. This is why the steroid EFFECT manifests itself MUCH more readily in the aforementioned steroids. Testosterone Enanthate is NOT building muscle immediately. Testosterone SUSPENSION IS.


As for SHORT CYCLES:

For the SERIOUS bodybuilder, short cycles are a JOKE.

Even the typical recreational bodybuilder will be dissapointed with a short cycle.

Short cycles do NOT neccessarily cause LESS shutdown, and they DEFINITELY do not produce OPTIMAL gains.
 
- Ross - said:
Nelson, fast-acting oral steroids such as Dianabol, Anavar, and Winstrol and fast-acting injectables such as Testosterone Propionate/Suspension and NPP, DO BUILD MUSCLE FASTER than their long-ester counterparts, because they reach peak blood level concentrations FASTER. This is why the steroid EFFECT manifests itself MUCH more readily in the aforementioned steroids. Testosterone Enanthate is NOT building muscle immediately. Testosterone SUSPENSION IS.


As for SHORT CYCLES:

For the SERIOUS bodybuilder, short cycles are a JOKE.

Even the typical recreational bodybuilder will be dissapointed with a short cycle.

Short cycles do NOT neccessarily cause LESS shutdown, and they DEFINITELY do not produce OPTIMAL gains.
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Gee, I guess someone ought to tell these guys they're not SERIOUS bodybuilders.

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/larryscott/larryscott4.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/chucksipes/chucksipes8.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/zabo/zabo4.jpg

http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/hercules/regpark/regpark89.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/donhoworth/donhoworth8.jpg

http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/hercules/sergenubret9.jpg

http://www.davedraper.com/photo-zeller-draper.html

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/freddyortiz/freddyortiz9.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/chetyorton1.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/rickwayne4.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/roycallender2.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/leroycolbert1.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...e+reeves&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2
 
Nelson Montana said:
Gee, I guess someone ought to tell these guys they're not SERIOUS bodybuilders.

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/larryscott/larryscott4.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/chucksipes/chucksipes8.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/zabo/zabo4.jpg

http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/hercules/regpark/regpark89.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/donhoworth/donhoworth8.jpg

http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/hercules/sergenubret9.jpg

http://www.davedraper.com/photo-zeller-draper.html

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/freddyortiz/freddyortiz9.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/chetyorton1.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/rickwayne4.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/roycallender2.jpg

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/leroycolbert1.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...e+reeves&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2
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Are you saying that these guys EXCLUSIVELY used SHORT CYCLES?

Nelson, I thought we were on the same page...?

You stated: "If you're looking for massive gains, don't bother with short cycles. But if you're esentially a natural trainer I believe you can do a few short cycles -- get in and out -- and slowly over time you can add more muscle than you would have had you never used anabolics. "

I only disagreed about your statement regarding short-esters/orals.:)
 
- Ross - said:
Are you saying that these guys EXCLUSIVELY used SHORT CYCLES?
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WELL, THEY DIDN'T GO NEARLY AS LONG AS IS THE PRACTICE NOW. AND THE DOSAGES WERE WAY LOWER. MY POINT IS, THE AMOUNT OF GEAR ISN'T ANALOGOUS TO BEING "SERIOUS."




I only disagreed about your statement regarding short-esters/orals.:)

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WELL, THAT'S DEBATABLE. AND I DID RECOMMEND SUS FOR THAT REASON.
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HollywoodSwole said:
as I remember right, Realgains was the biggest advocate of short cycles. one thread in particular comes to mind. maybe someone can pull those from the depths
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post # 4 dude. not the EF one, but the same realgains write up on another board.
 
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