Okay to change cycles?

[apesmiles]

Hey,

I'm 6'1 202, 12-14 body fat and have reached a plateau point where I am busting my ass in the gym and eating strict with no gains so decided to start a cycle. I, like all other noobs, want to magically lose body fat while increasing muscle mass. I'm eating 5-7 meals a day, lots of veggies and meat no carbs, sprinting or walking incline uphill 40-50 minutes and lifting 4-5 days a week. Anyway...

I recently started a cycle of 600 mg deca/ week and 500 mg of test E weekly - I've injected myself with the deca 3 times and the test 2 times (I had the deca first). After doing some research (yes, I should have done more research before injecting myself) I've come to the conclusion that a.)this is too much for me to be taking on my first real cycle and b.)losing or maintaining body fat is as important to me as gaining muscle - meaning it isn't worth it to me to put on a ton of muscle if I get more belly fat from it. I want to look cut and defined and have increased athleticism, not be all bloated and have no cardio and explosive power.

Also, I don't really want the suppression, bloating or bitch tits obviously. I've already had some errr, problems in the bedroom. Other than some slight "deca-dick" I've had no other side effects so far other than maybe a little bit of exhaustion.

Also I have anavar and oral winstrol.

Should I just lessen the doses of my deca and test to 200 deca 400 test? Or should I just drop the deca completely and do something like 500 mg Test E w/ 40 mg anavar daily. And... would dropping the deca, test or both at this point have any adverse effects on my body? Also, I plan on taking clomid after my cycle but is it really necessary to take anything else during the cycle?

Thanks, I'm sure I come off as unwise here but I am definitely going to continue doing some sort of anabolic and would like to have peoples opinions on the best way to proceed to reach my goals.

 

[d_rson]

What is your age and training history?

As for diet, you need carbs to grow, so make sure you are not cutting out carbs. You just want clean, slow burning carbs.
The building muscle and burnin fat part is mostly diet driven whether on AAS or not.

 

[nachomscl]

Just go with the test bro. 500mg a week is fine.

 

[Zyglamail]

Since you have the deca I would use it and cut it back to 200mg/wk and you shouldnt have any sides from it but should get some nice benefits.

Im not sure I am following you when you say "meaning it isn't worth it to me to put on a ton of muscle if I get more belly fat from it".

AAS will help you gain muscle and lose fat but its not magic so the majority of how things turn out will depend on you and what I mean by that is how you eat. If you have your diet in check, you are going to likely have to consume an excess amount of cals to gain and maintain new muscle. If you take in more than is needed to build and maintain it will settle as fat. If you dont take in enough cals they you may not get the mass gains you want. You will have to experiment a bit really and find out where that sweet spot is for you. All AAS does is make gaining muscle a little easier and losing fat a little easier the foundational principles behind losing fat and gaining muscle are still in effect.

 

[apesmiles]

Thanks for the responses. I'm 28, almost 29. Played sports through high school, got out of shape in college from drinking and the like. Eventually got really fat, around 300 pounds... At 27 lost all of that weight through cardio, diet, and weight training in about 11 months and have stayed teh same weight for the last 3 months even while pushing myself very hard. I think I may have been doing too much cardio but I have alot of fear of getting fat again. I have a hard time eating an excess amount of calories, not because I dont like to, I love to eat, but because I have a fear of getting fat again. I originally lost all of that weight eating no carbs at all, then moved to eating oatmeal and egg whites in the morning, protein shake, turkey sandwich on wheat, protein shake and apple, and yam and fish for dinner... plus some almonds and stuff in between. I just read a post on cutting though that recommended removing all grains and carbs and just eating tons of steak and salmon and veggies which is what i have been doing for the last week or so.

So my next shot is going to be on Monday, last one was on Thursday where I shot 300mg deca and 250 of test... This Monday I'm going to do 150 deca 250 test. I'm also taking milk thistle, a bunch of other vitamins, and drinking lots of water. I don't have any arimidex on hand but I'm not really taking test at very high doses so I should be good right?

 

[Zyglamail]

So my next shot is going to be on Monday, last one was on Thursday where I shot 300mg deca and 250 of test... This Monday I'm going to do 150 deca 250 test. I'm also taking milk thistle, a bunch of other vitamins, and drinking lots of water. I don't have any arimidex on hand but I'm not really taking test at very high doses so I should be good right?

Im a little lost at what it is you actually want to know.

You may or may not need arimidex, hard to say without knowing where your natural estradiol sits and how prone you are to E levels in general. Personally I still think you are on too much deca for the amount of test your taking but thats just my opinion.

If it were me and I had both I would probably opt for something 500mg/wk test and 250mg/wk deca, especially if this is your first time and you dont know how they affect you. Id also leave the orals out for now.

 

[apesmiles]

Okay, thanks again. The reason I was choosing 150mg deca is that is exactly .5cc so its harder to measure 125mg of deca twice a week. But I will just inject a little under the .5cc mark. I suppose what I actually want to know is just how common gyno is at these dosages, but since its related to my own levels of estradiol I suppose it depends. If its relatively uncommon I'm willing to take the risk although I am still looking to get some arimidex on hand.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

your deca levels need to be below the test levels. If your going to use deca then drop your test down. If its 250mg/ml then drop your dose to .75 ml 2x wk for a total of 375mg wk. and try to dial the deca in at 200mg wk. If you drop the deca then just run 500mg test wk.