Okay - is HCG really that much better than Clomid for PCT

[jbradley2093]

I have never used HCG but have used Clomid for PCT. I did the 300/100/50 routine.

I am currently on Prop/tren/winny/var (Winny first 5 weeks, Var last 5) and have enough clomid for PCT.

It seems like everyone is saying HCG HCG HCG for PCT. Is it that much better than clomid. I can get HCG, and if it is really that much better I will get it. Convince Me (Or convince me I don't need it)

Thanks

K for solid advice

 

[Jenetic]

HCG is to synthetic testosterone as Clomid and Nolvadex are to tribulus.

The action of HCG is identical to that of pituitary LH. This takes place independantly and is not affected by exogenous hormones and/or preexisting HPTA suppression. Therefore, it directly causes a dramatic increase in endogenous testosterone production, spermatogenesis and testicular volume. Obviously, the impact is strong enough considering HCG usage is commonly associated with the developement of gynecomastia.

Both Clomid and Nolvadex increase pituitary LH secretion in secondary manner by blocking estrogen negative feedback on the HPTA. On average, this is not strong enough by itself to counteract the severe imbalance in the androgen:estrogen ratio that is encountered post cycle.

Regardless, endogenous LH secretion increases as the hormones diminish from your system. The primary goal during the first three weeks of PCT is to quickly restore testicular volume. Also, the dramatic increase in testosterone production is necessary to avoid and/or minimize the "crash" effect. It's not meant to be used as a long term solution. As previously mentioned, both Nolvadex and Clomid increase pituitary LH secretion by blocking estrogen negative feedback on the HTPA. Therefore, SERMs are used during PCT as an anti estrogen and to continue the stimulation of pituitary LH after HCG has been discontinued

1,000 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. Continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional
2-3 weeks. During heavy or prolonged cycles, you may increase the HCG dosage to 1,500 IU's if necessary and incorporate 50-100 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks in combination with both HCG and Nolvadex. Continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 2-3 weeks in combination with Nolvadex. Finally, perform blood work to evaluate your recovery. Many people claim to be recovered and then find out the hard way later on.

Forget about one being better than the other. They are all different and have their place during PCT.

Jenetic

 

[jbradley2093]

HCG is to synthetic testosterone as Clomid and Nolvadex are to tribulus.

The action of HCG is identical to that of pituitary LH. This takes place independantly and is not affected by exogenous hormones and/or preexisting HPTA suppression. Therefore, it directly causes a dramatic increase in endogenous testosterone production, spermatogenesis and testicular volume. Obviously, the impact is strong enough considering HCG usage is commonly associated with the developement of gynecomastia.

Both Clomid and Nolvadex increase pituitary LH secretion in secondary manner by blocking estrogen negative feedback on the HPTA. On average, this is not strong enough by itself to counteract the severe imbalance in the androgen:estrogen ratio that is encountered post cycle.

Regardless, endogenous LH secretion increases as the hormones diminish from your system. The primary goal during the first three weeks of PCT is to quickly restore testicular volume. Also, the dramatic increase in testosterone production is necessary to avoid and/or minimize the "crash" effect. It's not meant to be used as a long term solution. As previously mentioned, both Nolvadex and Clomid increase pituitary LH secretion by blocking estrogen negative feedback on the HTPA. Therefore, SERMs are used during PCT as an anti estrogen and to continue the stimulation of pituitary LH after HCG has been discontinued

1,000 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. Continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional
2-3 weeks. During heavy or prolonged cycles, you may increase the HCG dosage to 1,500 IU's if necessary and incorporate 50-100 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks in combination with both HCG and Nolvadex. Continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 2-3 weeks in combination with Nolvadex. Finally, perform blood work to evaluate your recovery. Many people claim to be recovered and then find out the hard way later on.

Forget about one being better than the other. They are all different and have their place during PCT.

Jenetic

Jenetic,

Thanks for the expert advice, K for you. I have a couple additional questions if you don't mind.

First let me tell you my cycle:

Week 1-10 Prop 150mg EOD
Week 1-6 Tren 100mg EOD
Week 1-5 Winny (Orally) 60mg ED
Week 6-10 Anavar 40mg ED

Arimidex .50 mg ED Weeks 1-12
Bromo 1/4 Tab EOD Weeks 1-7

Now let me ask you this. If I do the 1000IU HCG 3x week for 3 weeks and 50mg Clomid ED for 5 Weeks do I need to get nolva, or would the arimidex be better to run weeks 1-15 instead? Should I up the Arimidex dosage?

IS this PCT overkill for this cycle?

 

[Jenetic]

Use your arimidex from weeks 1-10. It will no be necessary to use arimidex during PCT considering you will be using it during your cycle to manage estrogen.

I prefer nolvadex over clomid if we are deciding between one or the other. Since you already have the clomid on hand, you might as well use it. Technically, you can substitute the nolvadex with clomid. I would still recommend getting some nolvadex and using the full combination of all three.

It's not overkill.

Jenetic

 

[Jenetic]

I'm slightly confused but this is what your PCT should look like.

PCT Week 1-3:

1,000 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri)
50 mgs Clomid ED
20 mgs Nolvadex ED

PCT Week 4-5:

50 mgs Clomid ED
20 mgs Nolvadex ED

Jenetic