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ok.. whats worse for you - smoking, drinking or steroids?

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what has more chance of causing you health trouble at a later age - banging in 20 cigarettes a day for 20 plus years or doing 30 cycles of gear spread between age 20 and age 35? or is getting fucking hammered on a bottle of vodka every weekend worse for you?
is smoking worse than gear on cholesterol?
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
what has more chance of causing you health trouble at a later age - banging in 20 cigarettes a day for 20 plus years or doing 30 cycles of gear spread between age 20 and age 35? or is getting fucking hammered on a bottle of vodka every weekend worse for you?
is smoking worse than gear on cholesterol?
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Considering that smoking and drinking are responsible for over 900,000 deaths a year you have to with them by a mile. Tobacco and alcohol are so dangerous they kill people that don't even use them.
 
bluehen said:
Considering that smoking and drinking are responsible for over 900,000 deaths a year you have to with them by a mile. Tobacco and alcohol are so dangerous they kill people that don't even use them.
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but a bottle of booze every week really isnt too much..... smoking 20 cigs a day is alot
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
what has more chance of causing you health trouble at a later age - banging in 20 cigarettes a day for 20 plus years or doing 30 cycles of gear spread between age 20 and age 35? or is getting fucking hammered on a bottle of vodka every weekend worse for you?
is smoking worse than gear on cholesterol?
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Apples and oranges, smoking and drinking is not prescribed by doctors for HRT. I wouldn't even put AS on the same level as those two.
 
Smoking is the WORST thing you can do to your body..... I still don't know how young people in their 20's think they can smoke, and never have a health problem..... Throughout my life I have known so many people that plan on smoking all through their 20's and 30's, but quit around age 37, and they'll be fine..... I guess it's cause everyone has an aunt or uncle that smoked their entire lives, and never got COPD, or Lung Cancer..... Prob is, just cause they didn't get COPD, or Lung Cancer, doesn't mean they didn't have trouble walking up steps for years, trouble having sex for too long, or just plain trouble being active from Shortness of Breath (SoB)..... I mean, ONE puff from a cigarette negatively affects your lungs in many ways, how can years of it not harm you?

I say this all the time, but I work in a hospital ICU setting, and I can't tell you how many people die young cause of smoking...... On their death beds they are always saying they wished they quit years ago..... It's like a broken record, you just hear it over and over..... I tell friends and family over and over that smoking is gonna kill them, but no one listens..... I guess it's like over eating and obesity, people just don't stop untill it's too late.... Drinking is pretty bad for you too..... However, you can't compare the negative health effects from drinking and smoking to AAS..... They aren't even in the same Arena....

rizz
 
well considering those choices ..i'd have to go with using gear 30 times over the course of 15 years definitely! I mean, there's absolutely no way that 20 cigs a day could kill someone or a bottle of vodka a day..No way..no proof..bah!
 
anything in excess is bad for you. if you limit all of the above and do the gear correctly, smoke very occassionally, and drink ocassionally, i don't think any of them will cause you health problems.
 
Smoking is just useless and disgusting. Alcohol has its place...usually involving some women.

But neither of those can have the benefit to health that intelligent use of AS can have.
 
smoking and drinking is def. bad for you. but im sure a persons predisposition to smoking or drinking also comes into play, for example, some people smoke everyday and die at 90 with a decent quality of life, then some people die at 45 from lung or heart complications. Some people drink everday and live to their 60's or 70's and some people drink themselves to death at 40. AAS however shouldnt even be compared to smoking or drinking IMO. my 2 cents worth.
 
Illuminati said:
20 cigs = 1 pack. that's really not that much.
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A pack of cigs every day is a lot. Whether you take steroids, smoke cigs, or drink, you are still going to die one day and it all comes down to a personal choice.
 
Illuminati said:
20 cigs = 1 pack. that's really not that much.
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If your a smoker, its really quite easy to smoke much more than that a day. When I smoked, I would smoke easily 1.5 to 2 packs a day, if I went out parting, it would be much more. Obviously, smoking in any amount is bad for you, but in terms of quanity, smoking more than a pack isnt uncommon for most smokers I know.
 
it depend on what the rest fo your life looks like in my opinion

you will see that my argument will go round and round and round but i think all are ok moderation but cna you moderate a drug that is addictive as in smokings case?

Im not a smoker or a drinker but i juice. So based ont hat i would say that roids are the safest. I know it was mentioned but i do smoke marijuana occasionally off cycle as well id guess less than 5x a year on specail occasions so also in moderations. Will i have health problems for this who knows hoe my genetics are programmed.

whilst on ward round si had the oportunity to get into a in depth conversation about smoking and roids (never bought up alcohol) with a chest physicain she said that 40% (this figure didnt include lung cancer however) of smokers die from smoking related illnesses (the list of illnesses are huge but im sure you can work it our for yourself) that means that 60% of smokers will not die from any of the smoking ralted illness. i still haevnt decided if that emasn that the side effects of smoking are over exaggerated. she went on to say that the COPD and micro. macro vascualr component of why they die can be compensated somewhat by exercise and diet so of you smoked 20 a day ran a lot and ate very healthily it is esitimated that there is a 20-30% chance of dying from a smoking ralted illness (remeber these figures exclude cance for whatever reason but these were the figures i was given)

witht regards to roids it causes issues none of you have meantioned that the only one of the 3 that is illegal is roids this must say something. An in the uk (where i am from) smoking is legal at 16 and booze and 18 so on these grounds moking is the safest for you. even tho it is the most illegal. The sides of roids are also hige look at the visible sides that we can get water retention, acne, agression to name a few non-vsibale high blood pressure, high cholestrol- both of these in there own rights are issues which makes this drugs dangerous. I dont have stats on deaths form roids but like with ciggarates it is a progessive illness one that if abused may get you aventually and yes you will always here of the msoker/ juice head who is fine but there will always be the 40 years who dies from a MI and didnt smoke or drink.

btw smoking has proven benfits in terms of health especially for peopel suffering from dementia (smoking is proven to stop the progression of this disease) ok i know it isnt a lot but when you say it has no proven health benefits it does.
 
bluehen said:
You wouldn't sit behind your car exaust for an hour a day though, why would you suck down smoke from a ciggarete?
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i dont smoke. i know a lot of people that do, and its nothing for them to go through a 1-2 packs a day.
 
I would say smoking. I think it is the most hyprictical thing when I watch someone come out of a gym and smoke a cig.... doesnt make sense. Drinking is also not good but I am not going to lie and say I dont. And look at the humans for prof. Watch pumping Iron they juiced on real high levels without the knowledge of what they do now and 25 years later look MUCH better then people I know that have smoked 2 packs a day for 25 years. AAS "isnt even in the same fuckin ball park" as Samual L Jackson would say.
 
Playing devils advocate, there are also many more drinkers and smokers than juicers



bluehen said:
Considering that smoking and drinking are responsible for over 900,000 deaths a year you have to with them by a mile. Tobacco and alcohol are so dangerous they kill people that don't even use them.
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Smoking 1 pack a day is bad for your health, I used to smoke and it was not problem to go through at least a pack a day if not more. I would get out of breath very easily and have still not fully recovered. Alchohol can cause major liver damgage... but not just on the weekends lol. ASS cause increased BP and Chol...AAS is one of the few "drugs" that almost always goes hand and hand with exercise and eating right... btw, Nice quote cityhick.
 
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I would vote smoking though by a landslide, but smoking or drinking never made my blood pressure go from 120/65 to 152/74 in 3 weeks. Alcohol probably third. But it's hard to compare because of the variables in usages, you smoke everyday, you cycle steroids, and you drink on the weekends (if your not an alkey). I used to drink binge drink 3 times a week for five years. Perfect blood pressure, perfect cholesterol, perfect check ups, never got sick and to tell u the truth it never effected my gains or caused me to get fat. If you drink a few glasses of water before you go to bed you really don't feel hung over in the morning either, at least for me. Only way I personally noticed anything bad was it would cause me to eat poor like pizza and fast food after going out or just not eat period. I bet if I continued this until i was old, sooner or later I would of had problems.
 
I would have to go with excessive drinking, like what you would find in an alcoholic. The cadavar I had in gross anatomy was a 45 year old male that died from cirrhosis of the liver, the liver was green and was hard like leather! This guy was a health admininistrator at a hospital too. Looking at him, there was no doubt what killed him.
 
i don't know how it is elsewhere, but here in india folks like to have a fag with a cup of tea to soothe the nerves after some hard work. whenever i've been around someone who just got back from his cig, the smell from his/her mouth is like putrefying garbage... totally not cool and not sexy... it is actually repulsive.
anyway... between the 3 one would have to say smoking comes first, then alcohol and then steroids...
 
Abuse of any drug is bad for you, but wot the f*&k, life’s to short and your dead for a long time…. We might as well enjoy the little time we have.
 
deff cigerettes, not only does it effect the abuser but there familys and people around them. i think people who smoke in front of building entrances and around other people ae disrespectful and selfish.
 
Ulter said:
Cigarettes are the only product sold in America that is gauranteed to kill it's user.
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"gauranteed" is an absolute word. It's not absolute that everyone who smokes will die from it. I think that they should be banned from everywhere except the privacy of ones home because they are so disgusting, but they're not a guaranteed death certificate.
 
Ulter said:
Can you name another product sold in this country with warning labels that say this product can cause "death"? No. And that's my point.
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"can" is different than "will" cause death. That's all I'm saying bro.
 
Ulter said:
Okay, that's true. You can be a smoker and get by a truck and die, in which case the user was not killed by the product. But the labels says that the product causes death. Which in terms of commerce means that it will do that. Given the opportunity.
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So, according to you, as long as a smoker doesn't die from some type of accident, the cigs will eventually kill them. That's just not true bro.
While I think smoking is ABSOLUTELY one of the worst things that one can do to their body and probably will end up killing you, it doens't mean that it's a definite.
There are plenty of smokers who have lived very long lives and died of things other than smoking.
 
Apexx said:
So, according to you, as long as a smoker doesn't die from some type of accident, the cigs will eventually kill them. That's just not true bro.
While I think smoking is ABSOLUTELY one of the worst things that one can do to their body and probably will end up killing you, it doens't mean that it's a definite.
There are plenty of smokers who have lived very long lives and died of things other than smoking.
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Yeah, I have a friend that smokes about 3 packs a day, has been for the past 20 years and is very healthy. His father smokes 4 packs a day and has been for over 40 years and he is healthy too. Some people just get lucky I suppose, but their chances of getting lung cancer are still greater than a non smoker. The grandfather has smoked all his life and he is in his 80s now and doing fine. Guess you will always have those people that beat statistics.
 
maldorf said:
Yeah, I have a friend that smokes about 3 packs a day, has been for the past 20 years and is very healthy. His father smokes 4 packs a day and has been for over 40 years and he is healthy too. Some people just get lucky I suppose, but their chances of getting lung cancer are still greater than a non smoker. The grandfather has smoked all his life and he is in his 80s now and doing fine. Guess you will always have those people that beat statistics.
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they're not beating statistics, they just have good genes.
 
Ulter said:
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hell, I can name more then that just in my own family. My mother is 62. She has smoked for longer then I can remember and while she does have her share of problems, none of them are related to smoking. My grandfather on my fathers side lived to be almost 80 yrs old. He smoked and chewed tobacco since he was like 10. He died of complications from a broken hip......not smoking.

Now on the opposite end, my sister is only 36 and smokes. She does have cancer; has to get chemo every week.

My whole point is that NOTHING is 100%. I've given you examples of people, in the same family, who react differently to smoking. You can smoke every day and live to a full life, or smoke only for a few years and get cancer from it. Nothing is guaranteed.
 
"doing fine" "is very healthy" are all opinions that are not based on medical evidence. No one quoted here has seen the results of labs and pictures of these people nor do you have any idea how much longer any of them would have lived had they not smoked. To say that someone smoked 60 years and died at 80 doesn't mean anything. They may have lived to 100, but smoking cut that short by 20 years. Which means it killed them. It's a fact, if you smoke all your life you will die sooner. So smoking kills you. Gauranteed.
 
Ulter said:
"doing fine" "is very healthy" are all opinions that are not based on medical evidence. No one quoted here has seen the results of labs and pictures of these people nor do you have any idea how much longer any of them would have lived had they not smoked. To say that someone smoked 60 years and died at 80 doesn't mean anything. They may have lived to 100, but smoking cut that short by 20 years. Which means it killed them. It's a fact, if you smoke all your life you will die sooner. So smoking kills you. Gauranteed.
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I give you an example of someone that I knew personally who smoked and chewed and still live to be 80. The cause of death was not smoking related, nor did her ever have any probs related to his habits. Now your point of argument is that he may have lived to be 100 if he didn't smoke. Ok, maybe you're right. Maybe, if we lived to be 150 yrs old smoking would eventually catch up to those lucky few who don't seem affected by it.......but maybe not.
 
Apexx said:
I give you an example of someone that I knew personally who smoked and chewed and still live to be 80. The cause of death was not smoking related, nor did her ever have any probs related to his habits. Now your point of argument is that he may have lived to be 100 if he didn't smoke. Ok, maybe you're right. Maybe, if we lived to be 150 yrs old smoking would eventually catch up to those lucky few who don't seem affected by it.......but maybe not.
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Smoking may not kill some people in the long run, but they are on the far right of the genetic bell curve, they are born to survive alot more punishing shit than most. On the other hand, if your in the middle area of the bell curve, you can be sure if you smoke long enough, it will affect your quality of life and maybe kill you. You could even live to 80, but your last 20 years of life may suck....carring your little oxygen bag around. All 3 are bad, but smoking is the worst in my opinion. With alchol and steroids, there are possible problems....but at least youll be able to breathe while your dying.
 
Steroids are synthetic horemones that are found naturally in your (male) body I dont think the same can be said about smoking or drinking.Just remember if you have no Testosterone in your (male) body it decreases your quality of life , I dont think the same can be said about smoking or drinking
 
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