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ok, so who is natural...

I'm natural, but then again I'm not a bodybuilder. But still, the only supplements I take are whey and dextrose, glucosamine, and ALA. Never used ephedrine, creatine, or anything extreme...nor do I ever plan to...actually MAYBE creatine eventually....maybe:p
 
100% natural
 
Denilson35 said:
I'm natural, but then again I'm not a bodybuilder. But still, the only supplements I take are whey and dextrose, glucosamine, and ALA. Never used ephedrine, creatine, or anything extreme...nor do I ever plan to...actually MAYBE creatine eventually....maybe:p
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same here though i do use creatine and sometimes ephedrine if i need a boost and need to cut weight
 
ckd
carnitine
pumpkin seed oil
omega369
flax seed oil
guggulipid (i am hypothryroid)
h20
h20
and more h20
lost 42 pounds of fat and gained 7 in muscle
 
i'm natty

mostly because i'm still fairly young
and i don't have a source at this point

will take the plung, i want to compete
 
Went to the darkside this summer because I was curious and wanted to have no regrets in my life. Did a light cycle- only put on 10 pounds. Now, I am almost back to where I started, def not worth it unless you are really desciplined with your lifestyle.

Now- and for now on, all natty baby!! :)
 
I've been natural all my life.

I'm determined to build a bigger, better, stronger body naturally, and I WILL SUCCEED.
 
What is natural ?

What was considered "natural" yesterday may not still be natural tomorrow :D ......
 
OK-- good thing this thread didn't make it to the Anabolics Room. BUt I like the question just raised about what is natural... Especially when many supplements are just concentrated versions of natural things (or things your body makes already). Is eating 3 lbs of meat and 6-8 meals a day natural? Drinking concentrated shakes natural? What will they be saying in 100 years if all vegetables must be grown inside sterilized greenhouses? Things definitely change.
 
I think you should rephase the question. Who uses has used sauce and who hasn't?

Creatine synthised in a lab sure aint natural. :)
 
well, last night a girl that i had over said my room looks like a Vitamin Shoppe: alcar bottles, gt extract bottles, neurogenex bottles, vitamin/multi-vit bottles, glucorell bottles, 10 lbs protein, gplenish tub, rhodiola tub, taurine bottles, fish oil caps and garlic extract caps bottles all over the place......plus a fridge packed with several bottles of flax and olive oil and about 20 cans tuna and 20 cans sardines in olive oil, and bottled water :p

everything to please my ladies ;) :angel:

does i still qualify to be naturaL? i've never used gear before and don't plan to, i'm not a bodybuilder and as far as stamina, endurance, speed and agility (the things i train for) go i have tonns and could share in heaps with others, consequently i don't feel any need for hormonal enhancers...yea, i already feel like cheating

peace!!
 
Yes if u haven;t touched juice then i would say your still natty...
I don't exactly know where prohormones would stand in that mix...natty v. enhanced...

Anyhow,,i am natural...and proud of it.
 
Natural is defined by natural bodybuilding competitions, as someone who does not use prescription or illegal drugs. Thus, insulin, being over the counter, 1-test (available legally at any suppliment store), and other such things is natural, while those who use test cyp, hgh, etc are not natural.

I think of it as really a romantic notion with no absolute meaning. Personally, I do not consider the average joe to be natural. Its virtually impossible for a man to obtain a 25% bf with foods found in nature. Only by being sedintary (totally unatural for a human) and by eating processed foods, containing many ingrediates made in chemical vats, do we see this type of physique.

Also bear in mind, that even the act of weight training, with manufatured machines and weights, on a regular routine, for the purpose of building muscle mass, is not at all natural, and you are in effect, making huge changes to your hormone levels, cells, etc by using this man made devices. I do not consider it to be any less natural than injecting steroids. I only consider a natural bodybuilder (the very phrase is of course an oxymoron) to be natural if he eats absolutely no refined foods, and does not train with weights.

Of course, most people will disagree, since there is no clear or logical defination of what a natural bodybuilder or athelete is, and ANY effort to do so, will create a definition that someone can prove to be false, by finding a flaw in it.
 
obiwan9962 said:
ckd
carnitine
pumpkin seed oil
omega369
flax seed oil
guggulipid (i am hypothryroid)
h20
h20
and more h20
lost 42 pounds of fat and gained 7 in muscle
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dropped off ckd and went back to str8 atkins since i plateau'd
:mad: :mad: :mad:
i have deleted flax seed oil and added flax meal and udo's oil
deleted omega369 and going strickly with pacific salmon oil
added yohimbe
plus a drug store full of other vitamins most significant of which is boron, a tyrosine containing supp and a methionine choline inositol blend


mind you i am in this strictly for weight loss :dance2: :dance2:
 
obiwan, I have as of yet to figure out why some people buy suppliments with omega 9 oils such as 3-6-9 blends. I tbs of olive oil has 10 grams of it, and most of the fat in natty peanut butter is omega 9. When you think about it, most people's diets contain more omega 9 fats (the primary monounsatured fat consumed) than any other type of fat.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
obiwan, I have as of yet to figure out why some people buy suppliments with omega 9 oils such as 3-6-9 blends. I tbs of olive oil has 10 grams of it, and most of the fat in natty peanut butter is omega 9. When you think about it, most people's diets contain more omega 9 fats (the primary monounsatured fat consumed) than any other type of fat.
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i took the omega 369 to aid my artritis and for weight loss
now i find the salmon oil works best for both these
and i eat a 2 pound jar of pbutter a week
plus about a cup of olive oil and another of peanut oil for cooking
ty for the info bro
merry xxxmas
 
Merry Chistmas to you as well bro. I have a party to go to soon. I would agree with you on the salmon oil. It is your best choice for relieving joint inflamation, due to its high concentrations of EPA and DHA. I use 6 grams of salmon oil daily, but take flax as well.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Merry Chistmas to you as well bro. I have a party to go to soon. I would agree with you on the salmon oil. It is your best choice for relieving joint inflamation, due to its high concentrations of EPA and DHA. I use 6 grams of salmon oil daily, but take flax as well.
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i take 9 grams of salmon oil
but use udo's now instead of flax oil
i use flax meal in alot of my cooking as a thickener

have fun at the party bet you will have a great time
 
I would agree with Udo on eating n-3 to n-6 in a 2:1 ratio, but blending oils to such a mix (since flax is more like a 2.7:1 ratio) as he does with Udo's Oil, is rather pointless, since most foods we eat have a much higher amount of n-6 than n-3, thus giving use the need for oils such as flax, with a much higher n-3 content in order to balance it out. Still Udo's Oil is an excellent source of EFA's, and is a high quality food source so I'm not knocking it, only pointing out the flaw in the logic of "perfect blends".

Yeah, the party should be fun. Its at my sister's and she is cooking. Her minor is gourmet cooking (she is only is school part time since she started her own business), so its always great. She eats clean, and cooks that way, so I get to listen to everyone else in the family bitch about the food, with the exception of about 3 or 4 of us, who find their compaining amusing, since 2 of them have been "really trying to lose weight", yet have broken the 300+ ibs mark while "dieting", and asking me for diet advice over the years. Hmmm... how does a woman gain 180 ibs in 2 years, while "deiting really hard". Hmmm... I suspect its her 4000 calorie cheat meal she eats every night after her 8 slim fast shakes earlier in the day. Her attempt at adkins failed because she took a cheat day every 2nd or 3rd day, literally. I give up.
 
lol
well i tried every diet known to man before going low carb

and yes i was approaching the flabby 300 mark
atkins worked for me
i went on ckd for a while but plateau'd so i am back on atkins
happy with my bulk really
just wanna slim down and be able to fit into normal clothes again

started out at 276 and sixe 46 pants xxl shirt mid august
i am 5'5
i am now 240 and size 40 pants and xl shirt
i would like to be a 36 and large shirt
my goal
 
>I suspect its her 4000 calorie cheat meal she eats every night after her 8 slim fast shakes earlier in the day. Her attempt at adkins failed because she took a cheat day every 2nd or 3rd day, literally. I give up.

That is too funny! I used to have wt management for my concentration, and that's why I left it! I found I can give a burn patient anything I want through a tube feed!
 
I'm natty too! :D

Here's my diet:

1. Food Guide Pyramid
2. 1/2 a Centrum
3. 250 mg of magnesium

In 3 months I've lost about 20 lbs and increased in strength. It's possible to be natty and look good! ;)
 
I disagree with your definition...
I think of natural as within a certain amount of parameters...
Supps are ok.
Gym is ok.
Running, etc. is all good.
Basically the only thing a natural person is limited by is steroid use...
If someone had one cycle i don't consider them natural, and i think people on prohormones aren't natural either...my opinion but yeah it just levels the playing field a bit. I think on another thread i was comparing two individuals..juice and no juice and how to compare them. For lack of no other reason, i would think that a definition of natural and enhanced simply make it easier when comparing strength lifts of different people. You find out what group you are in and compare...

My .02 cents.
 
Sebass, if we are using it for purposes of comparison, prehaps we should break up the enhanced groups too. Someone who uses 500 mg of test a week, is from a blood serum test level, alot closer to a natural individual (only about 2X the test level) than say a serious competative bodybuilder or athelete who uses 3000 mg of test a week, 50 mg a dbol a day, and 100 mg of tren a day, with hgh and insulin.

The bigest variation is actually among enhanced atheletes due to the wide assortment of drugs and doses used by individuals based on their needs, goals, and willingness to use more aggressive stacks.
 
I guess some people may be considered "natural" even though they are juicing (for example men taking T for hormonal replacement as a therapeutic use)

whereas some others are not natural even though they aren't juicing (but taking insulin, GH or others supps)

BTW nothing is black or white, natural or not-natural-juiced-druged-freak-chemicallyEnhanced
 
hey i know peeps that don't even believe in vitamins and minerals

lucky fate as seen to make them sick about 10 times more a year than i am
lol
 
I don't know why people like to really complicate the definition of "natural" (I'm not refering to anyone here, but someone posted articles before). Juice= Not natural, no juice=natural. If you are on HRT and getting actual HRT doses, then I would say natural, but how many people who are on HRT don't bump it up a little? Prohormones I do see as a hard-to-define area. I suppose if they are outlawed we can just dump them with the juice.
 
I would consider myself all natural at this point as I dont juice and dont take any prohormonal stuff.

Supplements I guess are the grey area with prohormones and testosterone precursors. I have taken some of that shit before and it did absolutely nothing as far as I can tell. Its easy to fall into the hype surrounding the newest latest and greatest supplement. With all this crap floating around its easy to lose sight of the basics such as diet. Diet will have a greater impact on your body while training than anything else. ~goes off on a tangent~
 
bottom line, if you are directly or indirectly influencing your bodies hormones w substances other than foods, you are unnatural. In terms of bb competitions... there is DEFINITELY a different ilne in the sand... the line of legality.
 
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