Ok Ok.

[Illuminati]

So I smoked a lot of crack, and thought that maybe it would be a good idea to train with a Pro BBer, and made a post about it. I can safely say that the dillusions that the pipe has caused me are gone, and I can think clearly now. WTF was I thinking? (ok, this was just a metaphor.)
As BigTT said in the thread, "you will get the feel it burn" and that all conversations will "quickly lead to AAS." Both of which occurred in my first workout. After the second day, I quickly realized that it was going to turn into me working out, and her watching me.
It was such a joke. "here grab the 8lb db's, and do front raises. Stop your arms at a 30degree and raise them back up. Do you feel the burn?" "oh yeah, I feel the burn. Its more like a cramp. The kind I get when I'm home alone at night and..."

So I'm back. No offense to anybody, but Screw BBing. Most BBers are a joke, and don't know a damn thing about training. The only reason why some of them can work as a trainer, is because of their size that they got from the usage of AAS, and not from their training. Strength is the name of my game. I won't be able to train balls-to-the-walls like I used to, b/c of this slipped disk that I was blessed with last year, but I'm going to push myself.

Anyway, I know most of you don't care, but I had to rant somewhere.

 

[Protobuilder]

Nice. Worst thing is naturally husky guys who do some pumping stuff, grow muscle with ease, and then hand out terrible training advice to the rest of us. LoL

 

[Cynical Simian]

How much did you end up shelling out for this "privilege"? And, uh, welcome back to the world of intelligent training.

 

[Madcow2]

Sometimes you need to push your boundaries a bit just to reaffirm that they were put there in the first place for a very good reason.

BTW - I knew what was coming just from seeing your name and the title to this thread .

 

[Illuminati]

How much did you end up shelling out for this "privilege"? And, uh, welcome back to the world of intelligent training.

not that much actually, only $50.

 

[Illuminati]

Sometimes you need to push your boundaries a bit just to reaffirm that they were put there in the first place for a very good reason.

BTW - I knew what was coming just from seeing your name and the title to this thread .

yes. sometimes you need to step back from what you do, and get a little education. Here are my lessons learned:

1. Pro BBers don't know how to train
2. I'll never pay to get "trained" by someone again.
3. I'm not a BBer
4. I am 80% PLer, 20% psychotic (or maybe its the other way around )
5. I'm always gonna lift heavy, and somewhat sloppy
6. I don't ever want to "feel the burn" again
7. Did I say that I'll never pay to get "trained" by someone?
8. Most "trainers" don't know what they are doing, and have very little under the bar experience, which is more important than some certification

OK, I'll stop there. I think you get the point.

 

[BiggT]

I knew what was coming too when I read this thread, lol......sometimes you just have to see for yourself to reaffirm what you already know. I bet you wish you spent that $50 at a steak house.

 

[Illuminati]

I knew what was coming too when I read this thread, lol......sometimes you just have to see for yourself to reaffirm what you already know. I bet you wish you spent that $50 at a steak house.

not a steak fan. i would have much rather spent it at the Chicken Bar that is just down the street.

I also wanted to note...when I say "trainer" I am referring to someone who wants to make money off "showing you how to work out." there are people out there that are truly want to help. and these people will do it for free. these are the people who have true knowledge

 

[Jim Ouini]

This is that Mrs. Olympia that benches 315, right?

 

[Illuminati]

This is that Mrs. Olympia that benches 315, right?

....illuminati hangs his head, in embarassment, mumbles yes...

 

[Introspective]

This is that Mrs. Olympia that benches 315, right?

It's amazing how much weight people can lift when they do roids.

 

[UrlMighty]

You just had to find out, didn't you. I've watched pro-BBers working out and shrieking that their arms are on fire while doing triceps pushdowns or preacher curls with three or four plates of a stack that anyone here would all of if the machine weren't in use as a towel rack.

Welcome back to the light.

 

[Madcow2]

You just had to find out, didn't you. I've watched pro-BBers working out and shrieking that their arms are on fire while doing triceps pushdowns or preacher curls with three or four plates of a stack that anyone here would all of if the machine weren't in use as a towel rack.

Welcome back to the light.

Back aeons ago I worked as a trainer alongside a guy who was a top national competitor and won his pro card that very year. Great physique and really dedicated. I think I spent all of 12 seconds listening to him talk about training before I was 100% sure he knew shit (and for the record I knew a lot less than I do now and I still don't consider myself any type of true authority on the subject although obviously I have a decent enough grasp of the basics).

Anyway, his clients got shit for results. I mean nothing. Just horrible. This was back in the machine heyday when BBers weren't squatting or deadlifting and I think Yates had just come on the scene and started talking about the barbell row. His one longtime client was a doctor. The guy had a solid frame, worked his ass off but just went nowhere (basically well above average genetics and solid work ethic, should have been easy). I get a new client one day and apparently my guy knows this doctor socially and they go out every now and then. So I sit down, explain to this guy the what and why - within 3 months of my "controversial" free weight program he's packed on 20lbs. And he did not have great genetics. Long story short, my client and the doctor go out one night and both have leather jackets on. My client mistakes the Doctor's for his own and doesn't fit in it. This noticably disturbs the doctor since he used to be significantly bigger than the other man. My guy comes in the next day, tells me the story laughing his ass off, we make that joke that it will never occur to the doctor or anyone else that the difference in results is in the training (which at that time was radically different much more so than today) and that he'll probably jump on roids like the Pro who obviously didn't have a solid handle on even basic training. I shit you not, within the month the doctor was juicing it up (very obvious and he also told my client) and all of a sudden making all kinds of gains on the shitty training that got in nowhere before.

Interesting story and that gym had a lot of Pros come through there over time and it doesn't take much to realize that they really don't have a whole lot of knowledge regarding training and that their success does not in any way depend on it.

 

[view]

the way I see it, typicaly bbers have 3 flaws in their ideas of training:

1) frequency -- should be many times per week, not 1x.
2) isolation -- workouts should focus on 80-90% core lifts, and 10-20% isolation. not the other way around.
3) periodization -- the body can't handle an ever increasing load forever... ramp up, back off, ramp up, back off. a fuckiing kid wiht an IQ of 70 should be able to grasp that.