ok conservatives

[Lao Tzu]

I have noticed from Sushi X's post, that he has become a liberal (or at least accepted the label 'liberal', which is a very vague label). Warik said that 'conservatives use logic' in his response to Sushi X.

I live in the mid west, and all the conservatives are the opposite of that. They are usually emotionally addicted to certain values & ideas (free trade, anti-environmentalism, etc) and live in a delusional world where the legal system only puts bad peopel in jail and any idea they don't like can be called 'liberal' and stored away in the closet for life, a far cry from cold logic. The only instance i can think of where conservatives used logic & liberals don't is with racial profiling (conservatives prefer it, liberals call it racist).

If you can show me how conservative policys are based on logic, i may shift my beliefs too. Just imagine the power your party will gain. I will sit on this board and support your cause(s).

Seriously, i prefer a good discussion. Show me conservative logic.

 

[RyanH]

Seriously, i prefer a good discussion. Show me conservative logic.

Don't hold your breath. For instance, conservatives allege that "government should remain out of our lives." Yet, how many departments have they attempted to create: Department of Homeland Security, Department of Marriage and abstinence, etc.

Conservatives actually love government regulation so long as it suits their own ends.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Is that the french flag in your profile?



I have heard from people that conservatives are logical, but as far as i can see it is mainly just a 'life for today', use straw man arguments and experience emotional addiction to outcome A or B philosophy.

 

[Sushi X]

keeping your emotions in check when making political and other critical decisions is essential. if we make all political decisions and policies based on emotion, the entire middle east would be the world's largest mirror right now and we'd be in the middle of WWIII, with us being our only ally. i can personally atest to using emotions to make decisions rather than logic. it's human nature but that must be kept in check in politics and our most important and critical decisions in life.

i can see my conversion from right to left has people in a real uproar and has stirred things up. to think, my insignificant self has gotten this much attention. lol, wish i could in the real world, i might be out tonight instead of on my pc.

 

[spentagn]

Honestly nordstrom, you appear to have a negative predisposition to "conservative ideology." That and Ryan would most likely try to ban you if you did "switch."

I will address the issue, but only in the area I am most familiar with: macroeconomics. Speaking generally of course, conservatives favor less government intervention in the business cycle. Conservatives support the idea that businesses drive the economy, not the government and employees. For example, profitable businesses need more employees to expand production and fulfill customer demands, thus causing a growth in the economy. One ways businesses become more profitable is by reducing their taxable income. Hence the often criticized "business welfare" and lower taxes supported by Republican administrations.

Liberal philosophy, on the other hand, tends to support a higher tax rate on businesses (and usually individuals as well) to fuel government-run social programs. While social programs sound great to the end user, they have to be paid for. Unfortunately, the majority of the people who pay for these programs see little or none of the services. The higher taxes only lower business profits, and can in turn restrict economic growth. Raising minimum wage requirements have the same effect. In turn, businesses are forced to raise prices to meet profit levels, hence inflation. This inflation causes a devaluation of the dollar, which hurts both the common man and businesses alike.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Very Good Post

Honestly nordstrom, you appear to have a negative predisposition to "conservative ideology." That and Ryan would most likely try to ban you if you did "switch."

I will address the issue, but only in the area I am most familiar with: macroeconomics. Speaking generally of course, conservatives favor less government intervention in the business cycle. Conservatives support the idea that businesses drive the economy, not the government and employees. For example, profitable businesses need more employees to expand production and fulfill customer demands, thus causing a growth in the economy. One ways businesses become more profitable is by reducing their taxable income. Hence the often criticized "business welfare" and lower taxes supported by Republican administrations.

Liberal philosophy, on the other hand, tends to support a higher tax rate on businesses (and usually individuals as well) to fuel government-run social programs. While social programs sound great to the end user, they have to be paid for. Unfortunately, the majority of the people who pay for these programs see little or none of the services. The higher taxes only lower business profits, and can in turn restrict economic growth. Raising minimum wage requirements have the same effect. In turn, businesses are forced to raise prices to meet profit levels, hence inflation. This inflation causes a devaluation of the dollar, which hurts both the common man and businesses alike.

 

[huntmaster]

Re: Re: ok conservatives

Don't hold your breath. For instance, conservatives allege that "government should remain out of our lives." Yet, how many departments have they attempted to create: Department of Homeland Security, Department of Marriage and abstinence, etc.

Conservatives actually love government regulation so long as it suits their own ends.

Yeah, Dept of HOmeland Security--what the HELL ARE THEY THINKING???? WHAT A FINE EXAMPLE!

We dont need that do we. How soon we forget. Are you willing to risk the lives of the innocent women and children of this country for your politacal stance??? How noble of you.

 

[Warik]

Both political parties as a whole are mostly full of mindless automatons with not a sound thought in their entire being.

The conservative party, however, tends to have a greater number of non-mindless automatons who are actually capable of rational thought on some occasions.

We do not really see true logic at work in politics until one reaches my level or that of a few other privileged few on Elite.

-Warik

 

[The Dude]

I have noticed from Sushi X's post, that he has become a liberal (or at least accepted the label 'liberal', which is a very vague label). Warik said that 'conservatives use logic' in his response to Sushi X.

I live in the mid west, and all the conservatives are the opposite of that. They are usually emotionally addicted to certain values & ideas (free trade, anti-environmentalism, etc) and live in a delusional world where the legal system only puts bad peopel in jail and any idea they don't like can be called 'liberal' and stored away in the closet for life, a far cry from cold logic. The only instance i can think of where conservatives used logic & liberals don't is with racial profiling (conservatives prefer it, liberals call it racist).

If you can show me how conservative policys are based on logic, i may shift my beliefs too. Just imagine the power your party will gain. I will sit on this board and support your cause(s).

Seriously, i prefer a good discussion. Show me conservative logic.

I do believe you are delusional. Who in the hell things the justice system is flawless?!? Want to look at things logical...man, you're on the wrong end of the spectrum. Liberalism comes at thing from an emotional viewpoint, conservatism uses thinking, logical thought processes, to arrive at it's viewpoints.

 

[RyanH]

Honestly nordstrom, you appear to have a negative predisposition to "conservative ideology." That and Ryan would most likely try to ban you if you did "switch."

I will address the issue, but only in the area I am most familiar with: macroeconomics. Speaking generally of course, conservatives favor less government intervention in the business cycle. Conservatives support the idea that businesses drive the economy, not the government and employees. For example, profitable businesses need more employees to expand production and fulfill customer demands, thus causing a growth in the economy. One ways businesses become more profitable is by reducing their taxable income. Hence the often criticized "business welfare" and lower taxes supported by Republican administrations.

Liberal philosophy, on the other hand, tends to support a higher tax rate on businesses (and usually individuals as well) to fuel government-run social programs. While social programs sound great to the end user, they have to be paid for. Unfortunately, the majority of the people who pay for these programs see little or none of the services. The higher taxes only lower business profits, and can in turn restrict economic growth. Raising minimum wage requirements have the same effect. In turn, businesses are forced to raise prices to meet profit levels, hence inflation. This inflation causes a devaluation of the dollar, which hurts both the common man and businesses alike.

Spentagn, you are worried about business profits? about the amount of taxes businesses pay? I don't know why. General Motors, Ford, Wal Mart, and GE continue to pay very low taxes in comparison to their earnings. Further, businesses continue to make substantial enough earnings to pay their C.E.O's outrageous sums, while paying many of their workers less than stellar salaries. In addition, businesses continue to fleece investors while lining the pockets of those executives at the top (Remember, Enron, a Texas favorite).

I'd be interested in looking at the tax burden some of America's major corporations paid last year and comparing that with the amount of income received and salaries paid to those at the top.

Fact of the matter is that government regulation over businesses is necessary to prevent injustices to America's investors and consumers---a principle that has been proven time and time again. Businesses even complained about the 33' securities laws, arguing that they would destroy the corporate model with "its many restrictionis and regulations." Well, I don't know about you, but I'd would say that American businesses have done just fine since the enactment of those regulations. Government regulation, when done logically and sensibly, benefits everyone.

And finally, those social programs you have such disregard for, are essential, particularly when companies like Wal Mart pay their employees minimum wage. How will someone retire with that salary? The answer---Social Security will help. If not Social Security, what is your suggestion? Putting the elderly on the street?