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Ntbm tren ?????????

Texas Monster

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Was looking on NTBM and saw their new PH called TREN.

What is it? Is it suppressive? Does it have to be cycled? Do you need a PCT for it? What kind of dosages are ideal? Is it for bulking or cutting? What kind of cycle would you rate it? Does it stack well with other compounds or is it pretty harsh on the Liver? Need to run any supports with it such as N2Gaurd or lipid stable?

Thanks for any replies
 
LoL

Dude I just made this exact thread almost word for word... haha.

bigassturd put this in my thread:
19-norandrostenediol Information

It was only allowed to be sold in the United States after new legislation made it legal to sell it as a nutritional supplement, along with DHEA, androstenedione, and others. 19-diol is a long-acting and potent muscle builder that produces rapid recovery.

2. What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?

19-diol latches onto steroid receptors longer than testosterone does. It is frequently preferred over testosterones because it does not have as many androgenic side effects, such as increased body hair growth, deepened voice, and male pattern baldness. Studies show that one can Sustain nortestosterone levels for up to ten times longer with 19-diol versus some previous products that enhanced testosterone levels. It is also expected to convert to nandrolone at a rate three times greater than norandrostendione. Nandrolene does not convert to testosterone as androstenedione does. What does all this mean?Basically, 19-norandrostendiol has been reported to increase strength, initiate rapid and massive muscle growth, and allow for faster recovery after working out. It is so new that no human studies exist yet.

3. Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?

Bodybuilders, athletes, weight-trainers, and those who work out off and on could benefit from the positive effects attributed to 19-norandrostenediol. Since 19-diol is not an essential nutrient, deficiency is not associated with it.

4. How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?

Most athletes who supplement with 19-norandrostenediol consume between 100 and 200 mg per day. Usually they take it in one large dose 45 minutes before working out or training with a large glass of water. Do not exceed the recommended dose. Pregnant or lactating women should not take 19-diol, nor should individuals with an enlarged prostate. If you have a medical condition, consult your physician before supplementing with 19-diol.

Target Hormone: 19Nortestosterone (nandrolone) Molecular name of target hormone: 17ß-hydroxy-19-nor-4-andro-sten-3-one Target conversion: High (15.76 %) Conversion enzyme: 3-ß-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) DHT conversion: none Estrogenic effects: none

The advantages include no estrogen or DHT prior to conversion on the basis of it being a diol version, and only a fifth the DHT conversion afterwards because it has nandrolone as a target hormone. It's almost twice as anabolic as its dione counterpart and in terms of gains can match 4-diol milligram for milligram. It is of more use to the young bodybuilder because it converts to nandrolone via the 3-beta enzyme assuring high conversion and not interfering with testosterone production other than by negative feedback. Meaning in moderate doses it will not stunt your natural testosterone too much and ensure a faster recovery afterwards. That makes it definitely the most potent prohormone to use by itself, but obviously the stacking is limited. If you were willing to take the risk of mega-dosing and reach enzyme saturation, 19Nor is a possibility, but since most of the questions weget about Prohormones have a severe undertone of fear where side effects are concerned, I don't think that will be a popular stack. With 4-diol you have too strong of a competition, vying for the same receptor enzyme. 5-diol is your best bet because of strong anabolism despite low conversion and the fact that it can upgrade the 3-beta enzyme assuring greater conversion.


I have since done my own research but I cannot find much. There are no human studies (that I can find). Seems like it needs to be dosed high. Reviews are mixed, but we'll have to wait for more information before any conclusions.
 
these are designer steroids and absolutely they are suppressive.

I just started epistane myself and I have already started having sides, but its not as bad as beastdrol at all. your best bet is to grab a bottle and give it a shot yourself to see how you like it.
 
these are designer steroids and absolutely they are suppressive.

I just started epistane myself and I have already started having sides, but its not as bad as beastdrol at all. your best bet is to grab a bottle and give it a shot yourself to see how you like it.

Didnt you just finish a tren cycle?

How long did you wait before starting epistane?
 
Epistane is great stuff... Very little sides and great increases in strength and some muscle hardness... Looking forward to trying this "Tren"
 
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