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Trojan Horse
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In my opinion, she had some information that she was unwilling to share with the authorities. There was some kind of deceit on her behalf. the truth may never be known. Merely by observing how she conducted herself and what she said in the numerous interviews, told me that she was not disclosing everything she knew.
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heatherrae
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Who is that? I never heard of this guy.HumanTarget said:
I didn't know she died. How did she die?
AAP said:
i think its normal for the police to find the parents suspicious, since it was such an odd case too.
Who knows if the son is the nervous type, intimidated, or if the ramsey's took the advice of their lawyer and said the son couldn't talk- I don't remember how old he was at the time, but I don't know if i'd want my 10 or 12 year old talking to the police if it meant that one screw up could cost them.
maybe they spanked her. maybe they spanked her the night before, even. it could have happened, its not a crime, and doesn't mean they killed her, but it might mean they didn't want the police knowing.
The crime lab has two spots of JonBenet's blood found on the underwear she was wearing the night of the murder. Mixed in with that blood is the DNA of an unknown person. It has taken years to isolate, but forensic scientists in Colorado now have a complete DNA profile of the killer. They know the killer is a male. What they don't know is his name.
Augustin and Gray are convinced that the DNA sample belongs to JonBenet's killer, because of a small amount of matching DNA that also was found under the 6-year-old murder victim's fingernails.
One of those suspects came to light in a most dramatic way. It was early in 1997, when Alex Hunter, then Boulder district attorney, made a startling announcement: "I want to say something to the person or persons that took this baby from us. The list of suspects narrows. Soon, there will be no one on the list but you."
Those words were written by the FBI as part of a strategy to put the killer and any accomplices under pressure. That strategy may have worked. But just two days later, the Boulder Sheriff's Department discovered a man by the name of Michael Helgoth, dead in his home, an apparent suicide.
Did he have anything to do with JonBenet's murder? "We were walking along at the end of the day, just as calm as can be. He just casually comes up and says, 'I wonder what it'd be like to crack a human skull,'" says John Kenady, who worked with Helgoth at an auto salvage yard outside of Boulder. "And I looked at him and I thought, 'Whoa, I don't want to have this conversation.'"
Just a few months before JonBenet's murder, Kenady says he noticed a change in Helgoth's attitude: "Mike was pretty happy around late November, about him and a partner making a killer deal, and they were each gonna make $50,000 or $60,000."
Kenady didn't think anything of it, until he read in newspapers about the ransom note found at the Ramsey home that demanded a curious $118,000. It was close to the amount Helgoth had said he and his unknown partner would make -– and it was a ransom that was never paid to anyone.
"Then Christmas goes -- comes. And then he's really depressed. And there's no money. And then he said that he wanted to crack a human skull," says Kenady. "And then, she received a crack in her skull. I felt obligated to go to the police department and tell them what I knew."
Gray says Kenady "provided a very relevant piece of information that should have been a priority lead for the Boulder police department." Kenady says he called 10-20 times, but got no response: "No one would call me back."
Augustin and Gray are convinced that the DNA sample belongs to JonBenet's killer, because of a small amount of matching DNA that also was found under the 6-year-old murder victim's fingernails.
One of those suspects came to light in a most dramatic way. It was early in 1997, when Alex Hunter, then Boulder district attorney, made a startling announcement: "I want to say something to the person or persons that took this baby from us. The list of suspects narrows. Soon, there will be no one on the list but you."
Those words were written by the FBI as part of a strategy to put the killer and any accomplices under pressure. That strategy may have worked. But just two days later, the Boulder Sheriff's Department discovered a man by the name of Michael Helgoth, dead in his home, an apparent suicide.
Did he have anything to do with JonBenet's murder? "We were walking along at the end of the day, just as calm as can be. He just casually comes up and says, 'I wonder what it'd be like to crack a human skull,'" says John Kenady, who worked with Helgoth at an auto salvage yard outside of Boulder. "And I looked at him and I thought, 'Whoa, I don't want to have this conversation.'"
Just a few months before JonBenet's murder, Kenady says he noticed a change in Helgoth's attitude: "Mike was pretty happy around late November, about him and a partner making a killer deal, and they were each gonna make $50,000 or $60,000."
Kenady didn't think anything of it, until he read in newspapers about the ransom note found at the Ramsey home that demanded a curious $118,000. It was close to the amount Helgoth had said he and his unknown partner would make -– and it was a ransom that was never paid to anyone.
"Then Christmas goes -- comes. And then he's really depressed. And there's no money. And then he said that he wanted to crack a human skull," says Kenady. "And then, she received a crack in her skull. I felt obligated to go to the police department and tell them what I knew."
Gray says Kenady "provided a very relevant piece of information that should have been a priority lead for the Boulder police department." Kenady says he called 10-20 times, but got no response: "No one would call me back."
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jenscats5
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It was a very bizarre case......guess we'll never find out the truth....
Trojan Horse
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AAP said:
Yes, the brother of the victim was a definate suspect. The way she was bound etc... The fact the the parents and everybody was giving Jon Bennet all the attention etc... It was theorized that the brother was jelous of this and punished Jon bennet for all the attention she was receiving instead of him. Things may have gotten carried away during the process and she then died. The parents then orchestrated damage control to protect the son for this incident. They went to great lengths to orchestrate intruder/home invasion stories to sway attention away from the family etc... Just a theory that is shared with many others.
he was a suspect from the beginning. a local sex offender, if memory serves me correct. i think one of his friends snitched him out after the fact. there were several items in his apartment, including an article on JonBenet that was lying next to his body. the parents were cleared long ago, it was the fact that the police dept. couldn't find anyone to link anything to that caused all of the finger pointing towards the parents. you guys should watch some of the specials on msnbc or court tv that were aired. there was a lot of dissention among the investigators on the case. one detective was removed from it after he publicly stated the Ramsey's were innocent, there was a lot of shady stuff going on there. it's a great watch if you can find it. she had markings on her neck, 2 mismatching dots, that were id'd as a stun gun. they believed that guy was trying to take her out of the house, but was unable to and garrotted her in the basement, with that broken paint brush handle. the depth of the marks were almost an inch deep, this guy was literally standing on her back and pulling......HeatherRae said:
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Razorguns
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think about it.
why on earth would she want to kill her daughter. even if was an accident, one parent would just blame the other, and they'd probably split.
i wonder if all the stress affected her ability to fight the disease. too youjng too die. Sad so little money is spent on fighting cancer. Maybe dumbass Buffet could've listened - i'm sure he'd be donating money if he had gotten cancer.
why on earth would she want to kill her daughter. even if was an accident, one parent would just blame the other, and they'd probably split.
i wonder if all the stress affected her ability to fight the disease. too youjng too die. Sad so little money is spent on fighting cancer. Maybe dumbass Buffet could've listened - i'm sure he'd be donating money if he had gotten cancer.
coldblue1955
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who's miss ramsey??AAP said:
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heatherrae
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Wow, interesting stuff! If the Ramseys had nothing to do with this, then the investigators and press has really done the unforgivable. I can't imagine the pain of losing a child like that.HumanTarget said:
mustang_00
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both of them seemed pretty sketchy when speaking live on tv about the ransom and how they wanted her back. The main reason for me was because mrs ramsey broke down and was about to say something when mr ramsey grabbed her by the shoulders and jerked her away from the mic and gave her a crazy/mean look while talking for a few minutes before fbi escorted them away. I might have missed a few broadcasts or shows but everything i remember she was never interviewed by herself, her husband always had to be there. My thought about that was to keep her in check. It was also rumored that mr ramsey was into child porn and he might have had both the daughter and son doing a movie. Maybe that's why the son never made a statement, incase he slipped. Then again he was 9 or so at the time and 9 year olds are always like "uuum uuuuuh uuuum i don't know." I'm sure those stupid grocery store tabloids will make some shit up about how they found who did it blah blah. Or maybe now that mr ramsey is alone he'll break and put the blame on his dead wife. In all the live broadcasts and shows they were on he was never a friendly guy. even in recent pictures of them from a few years ago (3 or 4) they'd never be smiling together. How odd is that!?!?!
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Gambino
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fuck that broad...anyone familiar with the case will agree at least the parents were suspect...the alleged note left by the "intruder" was proven time and time again to be in mrs. ramsey's hand.
karma came back and bite her ass, good riddance
karma came back and bite her ass, good riddance
read post #13
btw, the note was not proven to be her handwriting
http://www.myhandwriting.com/celebs/ransom1.html
btw, the note was not proven to be her handwriting
http://www.myhandwriting.com/celebs/ransom1.html
PBR
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this is only my opinion from what i know and who ive spoken to:stilleto said:
It was not publicly noted that Mr.Ramsey was given a 118,000.00 bonus...only Mrs. Ramsey knew of this, yet the letter contained this exact figure. the bonus was extremely recent and almost at the exact time of the crime. (hard for some degenerate at a junk yard to know this)
the language used was not usual and had distinct characteristics of Mrs.Ramseys dialogue...it was not public knowledge- but it was thought the Ramseys were involved in CULT activities which are common in the upper echelon...the crime scene supported these types of activities with the use of electric shock and sexual molestation...
What happens with ritual crimes of this nature, is swept under the rug- as many of societies- socialites are involved...this would account for the strange behaviours of the investigating agencies, parents, and siblings. investigators were assigned and removed from the case arbitrarily...
I have always thought the parents were deeply involved...the Mrs most definitely...it was also a shared opinion- that Mrs. Ramsey was extremely jealous of her daughter as was previously mentioned about the brother...other disturbing rumors- was that the father was molesting on a regular basis.
we may never know. this case bothered me alot from day one. no signs of forced entry, even tho it had snowed that night...no entry, no exit. On christmas night/ day? when all family members were at home...nothing added up as far as i was concerned. shabby investigation- very apathetic IMO.
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Gambino
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interesting, never heard the occult twist.PBR said:
the story i know of had mrs.ramsey getting frustrated with jonbenet in the bathtub...more or less an accidental death by beating.
and stilleto that note has been controversial...your source by no means is conclusive
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Gambino
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stilleto said:
nicole was so sexy.
what i don't get about these such cases, if oj and ramseys are innocent, where the fuck is the killer(s)?
i would imagine someone killing a little girl is not a one time deal, their should be a pattern.
same with the oj case...did the police quit looking for the killer after oj was found innocent? technically it should be a on going investigation...after all the blood that was spilled
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in the OJ case- the killer is busy playing golf... its oj himself of course. we all know that i think.
for the ramsey's though- the man who seemed like the most probable suspect killed himself. I don't know if they did any dna testing on him though. There was another little girl who was killed in a similar way a few states away- i forget the details though.
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Gambino
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HumanTarget said:
summarize these opinions
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Gambino
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HumanTarget said:
nice summary
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Gambino
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slat1 said:
the father tried to run for a congressional seat in my region, after all this happened. of course he didn't get elected
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Gambino
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velvett said:
i think ovarian cancer
PBR
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the basement was not an easy find, meaning it was not obviously accessible within the house. (police had a difficult time navigating it). an "intruder/kidnapper" on *christmas* went into the home, upstairs, took the little girl out of her room, wrote a ransom note, went downstairs to this obscure basement, where he took his time and tortured/molested her, killed her, and then quietly escaped- leaving no trace. RIGHT.slat1 said:
