Novladex and Clomid

[tha_Waco_kid]

Hey - so I've read a lot of negative press about these on this board. I am coming back into the gear world after about a 8 year absence so I'm wondering what it is about these that is now proven to be bad for PCT? these used to be the standard back when I was cycling.

I"m just curious more than anything, as I don't have any PCT's on the horizon. Seems good ol novla and clomid have been replaced by OTC supps like unleashed and HCG

Why are they bad?

 

[-SD-]

They are not bad per se, there are just natural supplements available now that may do just as good a job at PCT than clomid/nolva. Although there is no scientific peer reviewed studies or research showing that. All the evidence is empirical and anecdotal.
I personally am an old school guy and the tried and true clomid/nolva PCT works for me just fine and Ive the bloodwork to prove it.
Some guys want as minimal amount of drugs in their system as possible, for which the natural PCT products may suffice, and that works for them.

 

[jmat2407]

Hey - so I've read a lot of negative press about these on this board. I am coming back into the gear world after about a 8 year absence so I'm wondering what it is about these that is now proven to be bad for PCT? these used to be the standard back when I was cycling.

I"m just curious more than anything, as I don't have any PCT's on the horizon. Seems good ol novla and clomid have been replaced by OTC supps like unleashed and HCG

Why are they bad?

Real HCG is not an over the counter supplement...Perhaps your thinking of Hcgenerate.

As far as the old school pct I'm all for it with a few additions. I run clomid as a serm. Aromasin as my ai. HMG for FSH levels. HCG to keep some kind of decent LH production going while on cycle. This is what works for me personally. It has proven itself through multiple bloodwork to be an effective combo.

 

[stevesmi]

clomid in low doses is cool. but nolva LMAO has no business being used at all. dunno why you would use nolva and deal with the sides when there is forma available. its a drug for breast cancer and it has awful side effects.. for men its a bonafide dick killer.. just google 'nolva libido' and see how many hits you get.

the clomid/nolva pct just crashes your estrogen post cycle which in theory will help your body increase T and recover. so pretty much you feel like shit during that time. why put yourself through that when you can use hcg, HMG, forma, and all the natural supps available?

once you use a modern pct you will never go back to that old pct again.

also to add to my 2nd paragraph the nolva/clomid pct does nothing for you during cycle which is a huge mistake.. you should be controlling prolactin, estrogen, and whatever else during cycle. and you should keep your nuts plump and not let them go to raisins. AND you should kickstart your pct. this is also a big part of the modern pct. instead of just doing nothing all cycle then running nolva/clomid for pct.

considering a lot of guys cycle for 15 weeks.. come off 3 weeks.. and then declare I'm recovered! clomid/nolva worked! then jump back on cycle. ummmm... you never came off to begin with!!

 

[-SD-]

HCG during cycle mitigates shutdown and makes PCT easier also