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Nothing to do with 5x5, please read it anyway

Kane Fan

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I like the idea of 5x5's but I thought this would make a nice change of pace
even still tho it seems to have some similarities to 5x5's
Ramping up and Volume manipulation etc
ok it's supposedly a Russian program ment to be used with a Bench and a Squat
I'm using BLDL and Flat Bench
it's a 3x a week six week program

Sets Reps %1RM

6x2@80 6x3@80 6x2@80
6x4@80 6x2@80 6x5@80
6x2@80 6x6@80 6x2@80
5x5@85 6x2@80 4x4@90
6x2@80 3x3@95 6x2@80
2x2@100 6x2@80 1x1@105

thoughts?
I didn't find anything on rest time between sets but as it's 80% plus of 1RM I've been taking at least 3 minutes
 
that's pretty good
15 kg in six weeks
I'd say that's worth it
I hope it does the same for my Deadlift!
but really I have to confess I'm having some trouble with the Volume
maybe if I push the rest time out to 5 minutes
 
take as much rest as you need. nothing wrong with 5 minutes. just get the reps.

another thing - its likely that your peak will come a week or two after the cycle.

I could not find this out because I went on vacation.

I should point out that a i did very little other exercises when i did this. bit of bench and some light/medium rows.
 
Under this type of structure performance will likely be flat and might very well degrade towards the end of the cycle (this is overreaching), as you recover under lighter workloads post loading (i.e. deloading) your performance will rebound generally over and above what it was before. Generally if the mix is right it's about 2 weeks but this can vary a bit.
 
yah I didn't notice at first just looking at the program but when I typed it out I said this has the same feel as 5x5
but the program has me trying a 1RM at the end of the program like immediatly
so you guys recomend not doing that?
 
To better understand you need to read the Dynamic Eleiko link above. There are two phases in your program of 3 weeks each. At the end of the 2nd phase is when you are hitting your 105%. This is the 2nd half copied below. Read it and then look back at your chart at the top.

Also be very careful when comparing protocols from translated programs as sometimes it is sets x reps and other times reps x sets as you will see, your chart is the opposite of the standard russian in the link - the same is true with the Smolov squat cycle descriptions i.e. 5x8 is 8 sets of 5 reps not 5 sets of 8 reps as you are used to seeing it written).

On another note, a lot of these programs are designed for fairly advanced and well conditioned lifters. The training that olympic lifters use is far different from what is done by today's bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts in commercial gyms. This is the reason that I have those ramped days in the 5x5 and I caution everyone to use their brain, start very light, and judge level of fatigue constantly. Basically, what passes for training for most people even those who have been bodybuilding for years and years does not adequately prepare them to tackle some of these programs in unaltered form. (this is also why I was always very reluctant to put down percentages and intensity levels in some of my stuff). Go ahead and try it but think about how realistic this is for you (meaning if someone is used to squatting 1x per week for 3 sets of X and then doing some machine and isolation work this is likely to be totally unrealistic).

Dynamic Eleiko said:
First of all it is designed for the preparatory stage. The six - week training cycle of squatting is divided into two stages. The volume rises in the first stage, with a relatively constant average weight of the barbell. In the second stage, the volume decreases while the intensity increases. Each stage consists of three -week cycles. Weights of 70 and 80% of the best back squat are employed in the first stage. In the second stage the weight of the barbell is 80 – 105%.

The volume of the loading in squats rises in the first stage, since it subsequently decreases in the second; which in turn is punctuated by a “standard loading” throughout the cycle. A “standard loading” plays a role in active rest. Squats are performed three times per week and with no more frequency than every other day.

The six-week cycle begins with the “standard loading” (see table 1). The cycle progresses (in the first stage) with an increase in one lift of the fundamental training weight, at every other session. The odd numbered workouts are the “standard loading” (uniform volume and intensity).

The general volume in squats in the first stage is 204 lifts; with an average weight which is 78.7% of the maximum.

The athlete has been training with only small and medium weights in the first stage and now begins the second stage already with 85% weights. Then after each “standard loading” the fundamental training weight increases by 5% while the number of lifts per set and the number of sets is decreased by one (see table 2).

At the end of the second stage the athlete can usually squat 105% of his maximum in the 18th workout. Of course, this figure could be slightly more or less.

The general volume of squats in the second stage is 139 lifts, with an average weight of 81.8%. This is 3.1% greater than in the first stage. Of this 139 lifts 41 are with large weights (81 – 90%) and 14 with maximum weights (over 90%).

For the entire six – week cycle the lifter executes 343 squats with an average weight of 80% of maximum. If for example, the athlete does 1,000 – 1,100 lifts in the preparatory period (four – week cycle), squats will comprise 20 – 23% of the general volume of loading in all exercises. This meets the contemporary requirements of training.

The result achieved at the final workout is to be used as the new maximum and this figure is to be employed when calculating the fundamental training weights for the new cycle.

If the athlete is unable to cope with the loading in the second half of the first stage of training; for instance, if he cannot do all six sets for the proscribed repetitions, then it will be necessary for him to repeat the loading planned for weeks two and three. After this, he can proceed to the second stage.

When this program employed in subsequent training cycles the athlete can utilize variability in doing the standard loading of the cycle: for example, the first standard loading – back squats; the second overhead – squats (55 – 65%); the third – lunge squats with the bar on the chest; the fourth – front squats.

If the lifter begins the cycle after a lay – off, where his maximum squat would now be lower; then the fundamental training weight in the first stage should be 70% of his maximum registered in the prior training stage. In this instance the warm - up weights would be with 60 & 65%. The aforementioned schedule of percentages should be adhered to in the second stage of the squat program.

In order to improve joint mobility and the elasticity of the muscles and tendons, besides squats, one should do cross – country running, sprints, standing and running long jumps, vertical jumps and sport games.

On the average, the results in the back squat should be 134% of the results in the clean and jerk. If one’s squat results are substantially below this figure, the volume of squats should be increased to 30% of the general volume of loading.
 
yes I had to lower the volume slightly
I was doing 6x5 and made it fine on Deadlifts but for Bench I did 4x5 and 1x5
so you mean it's written down Repsx Sets
or SetsxReps
cus I assumed it was SetsxReps
 
Well in your first post I think it is setsxreps and it makes sense this way to me, but if you compare it to the link in Sportivny it's reversed there in the chart at the bottom so I'm assuming they didn't alter them there and it's reps x sets (similar to the smolov link). In other words, keep what you have and just do it.
 
ok good
andI ment 4x5 and 1x4
otherwise it would have been 5x5
I figured when on the fifth set I missed the fifth rep it was time to stop cus well, Im' not a big fan of failure
I got my fourth rep I just doubted my ability to make the fifth so I cut the volume that day
 
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