I have heard that many times before bro, but to be honest I really never noticed that big of a difference to where I wouldnt take it if I needed it. The small gains it may take away are worth keeping away gyno and keeping away some water bloat. Actually I have never noticed any loss of gains from antis to where I wanted to take them out, if you do just do 20mg eod and see how that works out for you. I really never take nolva anymore, I do like it just never really order it, I always just tend to stick to femera or Arimidex now, the only thing is it kills my sex drive so I may get some nolva next time I need an anti as it does have good effects on HDL too....