NoDaddyNo (and other runners)

[jackangel]

For those of you who run and lift (I don't know if that includes you, NoDaddyNo, but I'll assume), how have you incorporated your leg days with your running? I hardly ever do lower body workouts, but I know that I should. However, I don't like the additional soreness that squats, leg presses, etc. lead to. Running longer and faster leads to soreness of its own, of course, and I'm slow enough as it is.

I don't want fatigue from lifting to hamper my running progress. I'm considering leaving out lower body workouts, or doing them twice a month (although that may not allow for any gains).

Have any of you faced this issue? Did you just work through the soreness?

Thanks.

p.s. This thread was not started on the training board because I am protesting the inhumane treatment of hairy, middle-aged queers in Canada (i.e., "bears" or "bullit").

 

[HighIntensity]

I just started running. 14 miles ed.

 

[OXANDRIN]

running will make your legs smaller and weaker the more distance you run.

 

[NoDaddyNo]

Running for distance will trigger your body to try to optimize its VO2Max - the easiest way for it to do this is shed weight. If you have large amounts of stored bodyfat, it will shed that first.
As you get closer to your set point - usually around 10-15%, your body will do stupid things like shed muscle mass unless you trick it.

If you are a competetive runner, you don't want to trick your body because you want to be as fast as possible and you don't care about how it looks. If you look obese but can run a sub 4-min mile - who cares?

Lifting weights with your legs is the same as doing a sprint workout in terms of the effect on your body and muscles.
Doing distance is... well, it is just cardio.

If you care about being as big as possible, don't do distance. Lifting weights will help your body to choose to keep muscle over fat when it is burning calories and shedding excess weight - but in the end, you can't be a good runner and a huge beast.
One or the other.

I'm assuming none of this matters though since your post sounds all in jest

 

[biteme]

running will make your legs smaller and weaker the more distance you run.

Tis true. I run 2 miles, 3 times a week when I'm healthy. I can still lift very heavy weights and have good size in legs. There is nothing like running for cardio endurance and I think everyone should do it that can. I'm going to run a mile later tonight. Even 1 mile a night is very beneficial.

 

[OXANDRIN]

i do about 16 miles a week. i was doing 30 not too long ago. i noticed i caved carbs and i lost weight but it was mostly muscle. 16 miles a week seems to be ok for maintaining muscle

 

[PoyeBoy]

my buddy runs a sub 4, hes ripped, but 6'3" and 175LBs, he is by far the biggest good mid distance runner in the ncaa, he got 8th at nationals this year, all the other teams coaches call him an OX, lol I wonder what they would call me?

 

[slickdadd]

lol I wonder what they would call me?

A shit scientist

 

[Buffy Beffy]

I am a NCAA runner too. I run about 50+ miles a week. I bb off season. My experience in the off season when I am not running so much, to keep my legs from being fatigued, I don't lift for them as often, but I still lift for them. Though it is true that you can't be a hard core distance runner and a beast simutaneously, don't cut at least a little cardio out of your workout.

 

[biteme]

I am a NCAA runner too. I run about 50+ miles a week. I bb off season. My experience in the off season when I am not running so much, to keep my legs from being fatigued, I don't lift for them as often, but I still lift for them. Though it is true that you can't be a hard core distance runner and a beast simutaneously, don't cut at least a little cardio out of your workout.

We need to see pictures. Some of you women runners are mega fine.

 

[jackangel]

Thank you for the response, NoScrappyNo. It was a serious question. As far as building muscle, I'm just a beginner (having only been back in the gym since last November), and I'm not interested in getting as large as possible. Since I'm still new to both lifting and running, I think I can gains in both for some time. I don't know how far I want to take it (in either area), but I do know that I'm not there yet.

I neglect my lower body as it is, so there's nothing to lose. Eventually, if I want to go past a certain point in either one, I'll have to focus, but hopefully I won't have to yet. I don't see myself competing. My runs are 3-4 days a week, usually 2 or 3 miles at a time (with a "long run" of 4.5 miles). The vague plan is to build a moderate base up to 30-35 miles a week, and then up the intensity/pace of my runs while keeping mileage steady. In the meantime, I'll do some intervals (400/800/1200) at a relatively fast pace once a week.

Perhaps lower leg development won't work in that scenario. In any case, the primary issue right now is still that of soreness. Perhaps I'll forego the lower body workouts for now.

And po'boy, your friend must be Martin Robeck? I just looked up 8th place in the 1500 at outdoor NCAAs this year, and his name is there. Apparently he's 6'3", ~173, and from MN...must be him.

 

[PoyeBoy]

Thank you for the response, NoScrappyNo. It was a serious question. As far as building muscle, I'm just a beginner (having only been back in the gym since last November), and I'm not interested in getting as large as possible. Since I'm still new to both lifting and running, I think I can gains in both for some time. I don't know how far I want to take it (in either area), but I do know that I'm not there yet.

I neglect my lower body as it is, so there's nothing to lose. Eventually, if I want to go past a certain point in either one, I'll have to focus, but hopefully I won't have to yet. I don't see myself competing. My runs are 3-4 days a week, usually 2 or 3 miles at a time (with a "long run" of 4.5 miles). The vague plan is to build a moderate base up to 30-35 miles a week, and then up the intensity/pace of my runs while keeping mileage steady. In the meantime, I'll do some intervals (400/800/1200) at a relatively fast pace once a week.

Perhaps lower leg development won't work in that scenario. In any case, the primary issue right now is still that of soreness. Perhaps I'll forego the lower body workouts for now.

And po'boy, your friend must be Martin Robeck? I just looked up 8th place in the 1500 at outdoor NCAAs this year, and his name is there. Apparently he's 6'3", ~173, and from MN...must be him.

lol, yeah thats him alright, his roomate just ran the fastest 400 in the world this year

 

[Bullit]

lol I wonder what they would call me?

A hottie with huge a rack?

 

[NoDaddyNo]

Perhaps lower leg development won't work in that scenario. In any case, the primary issue right now is still that of soreness. Perhaps I'll forego the lower body workouts for now.

And po'boy, your friend must be Martin Robeck? I just looked up 8th place in the 1500 at outdoor NCAAs this year, and his name is there. Apparently he's 6'3", ~173, and from MN...must be him.

Once your legs get used to the running, then you will not be sore from regular running (distance types). Speedwork is basically like lifting, and that will lead to being sore if you don't properly warm up and cool down.

If you lift legs, there are different theories as to when to do it - but since the lifting and the speedwork are essentially working the same things - I would try to avoid lifting on easy days - unless you are on gear. Otherwise, your body is not getting a chance to rest.


As for Robeck - a sub 4 1500 doesn't make for a sub 4 mile. From what I can find, as of last year his best mile for him was 4:11 - which is fucking incredible if he broke 4 in the mile this year.
Either way, he is still faster than me - he ran 1:51 for the 800m and I've never gotten near that.
Go him.
I'm about his size though, I'm just fat and slow compared to him

 

[Ffactor]

The Ffactor can do a mile in 15 minutes flat. By the way Jackrabbit, it seems nobody thinks much of your stupidity ranking system.
Jackass, owned by EF!!