Next Cycle: Test, Tren, Mast and Winnie

[Warrior_1]

For my next cycle I'm thinking:

1-12 Test E 400/wk
1-8 Tren E 245/wk
3-12 Mast E 400/wk
5-12 Winne 350/wk
3-12 hCG 500/wk

Or

1-12 Test E 200/wk
1-8 Tren E 245/wk
3-12 Mast E 200/wk
5-12 Winne 350/wk
3-12 hCG 500/wk

And PCT

I may run Test Cyp instead of Enanthanate. What do you think?

The intention is run tren a little lower, but longer, than last time to keep prolactin and tren sides in check, and not hurt cardio too much, but take advantage of the amazing gains tren brings. ( i'm not even sure tren hurt my cardio that much last time. BP went up and cardio down before i even started the tren.)

Would like to run longer esters than prop and ace to avoid all the wasted time, hardware and product. I ran 50 ed (25x2) tren ace, which is 350/wk, so i can handle 245 no problem.

The idea with the second option is that I think that most of the negative aspects--High BP, poor cardio, water, mild fat gain--of my last cycle, were due to Test aromatizing and cause elevated estrogen. So, if i dont run as much test, i wouldn't need as much mast, aromasine, etc to control the estrogen and i would just let the tren do more of the work. But not sure if 200 test and 245 tren are enough to give the lean mass gains i'm after. And i wouldn't want to run more tren because of its progestin nature and the associated rubber dick issue. So a balance is what I'm after with enough anabolics to get the job done.

The goal is lean mass. To perform well at my fall/winter/spring sport i cannot have excess water or fat weight. Enough water to keep the joints happy, so not extreme, but no bloat and must be as lean or a little leaner than i am now.

3rd cycle
5' 7.5"
150 lbs
Lean
47 yo
Sponsored athelete. Training for sports and/or bodybuilding for decades.

I'll post up my last cycle and labs in a different post. It might shed some light on why I've planned this cycle like i have.

Which option? What would you change and why?

I've heard rumors that Tren E is often impure or, as they put it, "dirty" for some reason. How common is this? Anyone have actual knowledge/experience on this?

Thanks.

 

[dylangemelli]

im not sure where you heard what you heard about test e but that's ridiculous... that would just be dependent upon where you got it from...

that's a lot of dht with mast and winnie... are you prone to hair loss?

why not stick to short esters here and run test prop, mast prop, tren ace and anavar? 8 week cycle with all the benefits of the longer one...

 

[TheRippedReverend]

For my next cycle I'm thinking:

1-12 Test E 400/wk
1-8 Tren E 245/wk
3-12 Mast E 400/wk
5-12 Winne 350/wk
3-12 hCG 500/wk

Or

1-12 Test E 200/wk
1-8 Tren E 245/wk
3-12 Mast E 200/wk
5-12 Winne 350/wk
3-12 hCG 500/wk

And PCT

I may run Test Cyp instead of Enanthanate. What do you think?

The intention is run tren a little lower, but longer, than last time to keep prolactin and tren sides in check, and not hurt cardio too much, but take advantage of the amazing gains tren brings. ( i'm not even sure tren hurt my cardio that much last time. BP went up and cardio down before i even started the tren.)

Would like to run longer esters than prop and ace to avoid all the wasted time, hardware and product. I ran 50 ed (25x2) tren ace, which is 350/wk, so i can handle 245 no problem.

The idea with the second option is that I think that most of the negative aspects--High BP, poor cardio, water, mild fat gain--of my last cycle, were due to Test aromatizing and cause elevated estrogen. So, if i dont run as much test, i wouldn't need as much mast, aromasine, etc to control the estrogen and i would just let the tren do more of the work. But not sure if 200 test and 245 tren are enough to give the lean mass gains i'm after. And i wouldn't want to run more tren because of its progestin nature and the associated rubber dick issue. So a balance is what I'm after with enough anabolics to get the job done.

The goal is lean mass. To perform well at my fall/winter/spring sport i cannot have excess water or fat weight. Enough water to keep the joints happy, so not extreme, but no bloat and must be as lean or a little leaner than i am now.

3rd cycle
5' 7.5"
150 lbs
Lean
47 yo
Sponsored athelete. Training for sports and/or bodybuilding for decades.

I'll post up my last cycle and labs in a different post. It might shed some light on why I've planned this cycle like i have.

Which option? What would you change and why?

I've heard rumors that Tren E is often impure or, as they put it, "dirty" for some reason. How common is this? Anyone have actual knowledge/experience on this?

Thanks.

Id go number 1 but 250 of test e. Mast is gotta be kept at min of 400 ew.

Tren e? Dirty? The deal is tren comes from pellets just like prop its gotta be broken down and the process is somewhat differcult. Tren I filter twice for the reason so maybe the anwser is yes.

 

[Warrior_1]

Thanks. I've heard a lot that the mast needed to be at least 400. Was just throwing that out there to see how firm that was and see if anyone had descent results with less. The reason i remotely considered less was because i was under the impression that it was best to have test the same or a little higher than mast. So that would be okay to run less test than mast, and libido and erections would be okay? And would you need the mast very much if test was so low?

The reason i don't run short esters any more is because i'm tired all of the wasted time, wasted hardware, and wasted product. Ace is an even shorter ester and shorter half-life than prop. I have to pin tren ace twice a day. Makes all the difference in the world. Even ED is a huge was of time, pins and product residue when you could do once or twice a week. And have more stable levels in the body. That seem logical? Especially now that i know the level i can handle there's no need for ace, unless there really is some purity issue with Tren E.

For clarity, its tren e (not test e) that i heard the lack of purity rumour about. And unfortunately my source is one of the places i heard it and he's being a pain about getting it for me. If its for good reason the fine. But with steroids the abundance of falsehoods and over-simplifications that get handed down and perpetuated is staggering. And i dont know if this is one of those cases or not.


I haven't lost any more hair in about 25 yrs. I think I've already lost what I'm gonna loose. Deca didn't increase it. Didn't notice any on my last cycle (test prop 12 wks 350, tren a 6 wks 350, win 6 wks 350). But yeah, the propsed cycle is alot more nor/dht so that is a consideration.

Fall and winter my body gets hammered real bad so i actually need the longest cycle i can handle without causing permanent damage to htpa and without hitting a plateau. I shoulda said earlier that thus is as much about being able to recover in a long season as it is about physique and strength building. The period i need something is actually about 6 months. But i'm scared to run longer than three, and that gives me time to recover so i can do another cycle in the summer (which is a whole sport entirely where endurance is even more important).

Thanks!

 

[MattJS]

Sounds to me like your source is trying to put you off tren e because he has a hard time getting it, maybe you should look elsewhere, as for your cycle I like the first one better

 

[Warrior_1]

I appreciate the feedback guys. I'm going with Test Cyp and enan on the others. I had a feeling the issue was more with the source than the gear. I think its that he either has trouble getting it like u said or its not what he's using so the volume discount isnt there for his personal gear if we use something he's not using. I wont be using him next time.

What experiences has anyone had with Masteron? How'd it go? Will u use it again?

Thanks.

 

[Warrior_1]

The Test came in but its Enan, not Cyp. This is what I'm thinking now:

1-12 Test E 250/wk
1-12 Tren E 330/wk
1-12 Mast E 400/wk
1-3 Tbol 50 ED
7-14 Winstol 175/wk (25 ED)

hCG 500/wk starting wk 3
Aromasin 12.5 ED begining to end

PCT starting 14 days after last pin.

Two things:
1) I'm now noticing that I did have some hair loss with my last cycle (Test 350x12, Tren 350x6, Winnie 350x6), and the proposed next cycle (above) does have a lot of DHT derivatives and androgenic compounds so I am concerned about loosing a lot more hair. Thinking of cutting the Mast altogether or reducing the Winnie dose. Even at 25 mg ED Winnie supposedly significantly reduces SHBG so that may be what i do instead of 50mg ED. But that really isnt much of a reduction...

2) I want to kick start this cycle with something to get results coming on sooner. I'm thinking 40-60 mg Tbol for the first three weeks. Does not aromatize or convert to DHT, and not very androgenic but is supposedly synergistic with Test and Tren.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

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[dylangemelli]

The Test came in but its Enan, not Cyp. This is what I'm thinking now:

1-12 Test E 250/wk
1-12 Tren E 330/wk
1-12 Mast E 400/wk
1-3 Tbol 50 ED
7-14 Winstol 175/wk (25 ED)

hCG 500/wk starting wk 3
Aromasin 12.5 ED begining to end

PCT starting 14 days after last pin.

Two things:
1) I'm now noticing that I did have some hair loss with my last cycle (Test 350x12, Tren 350x6, Winnie 350x6), and the proposed next cycle (above) does have a lot of DHT derivatives and androgenic compounds so I am concerned about loosing a lot more hair. Thinking of cutting the Mast altogether or reducing the Winnie dose. Even at 25 mg ED Winnie supposedly significantly reduces SHBG so that may be what i do instead of 50mg ED. But that really isnt much of a reduction...

2) I want to kick start this cycle with something to get results coming on sooner. I'm thinking 40-60 mg Tbol for the first three weeks. Does not aromatize or convert to DHT, and not very androgenic but is supposedly synergistic with Test and Tren.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

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if your going to drop something then drop the winnie... test, tren and mast is a bad motherfucker...

you need to run tbol 4 weeks at 60 mg day

you need to cut a few weeks off of tren... that's too long

mast can go up to 500 mg...

you need caber or prami for tren...

run aromasin 12.5 mg eod

pct

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daa powerchews or powder

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[AeRoXx]

imho cyp better for me than enan
pct run clo and nolv

http://www.isteroids.com/

Thought you shouldn't run nolva with a 19nor ???

 

[Warrior_1]

if your going to drop something then drop the winnie... test, tren and mast is a bad motherfucker...

you need to run tbol 4 weeks at 60 mg day

you need to cut a few weeks off of tren... that's too long

mast can go up to 500 mg...

you need caber or prami for tren...

run aromasin 12.5 mg eod

pct

[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]clomid 25/25/25/25 chemicalneed.com
Unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

optional
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com[/FONT]

Thank you dylangemelli. Good advice per usual.

I forgot to mention I've got Prami. Would really like to try Caber but I can't find it. Either my Prami is bunk or it just doesn't do much for me, or at least it seemed that way for my last cycle.

I didn't expect I'd be able to hold those Tren reins the full time anyways so I'll go ahead and premeditatively cut it back to 6 or 8 wks.

Bumping Tbol to 4 wks @ 60 ED, if I can get my hands on some.

Buy the way I'm taking Milk Thistle, Magnesium (w/ Taurine & B6), Zinc, lots of DHA/EPA/Omega3s, Multi-Vitamin/Mineral, extra Vitamin E, Glucosamine, I can't even remember it all..

Thanks again.

 

[Texas Monster]

IMO when running any 19-nor you are going to want to opt for the shorter ester.

You are worried about hpta damage correct? Well 19-nors have the worst effect on the HPTA.

That is why I believe if you are going to run a 19-nor it is best to get it in your system and get it out as fast as you can. This will help with a better recovery because it wont be lingering in your system.