Next cycle. Please chime in BigAndy, Radar..

[bigmk]

Im 31 5'11" 225 lean, 14 yrs. lifting. Last cycle was 1 gram Sus. and 600 deca/week. Ran dbol at 40mg/day for first five weeks.

How does this look like for my next cycle to add some more quality size?

1 gram EQ/wk 1-13
1 gram test enanthate/wk 1-13
50mg drol/day 1-5 weeks
Tren 125/day 6-13 weeks

What do you think guys? Give me some feedback.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Well, I'm not BigAndy or Radar...but i'll give my thoughts anyways.

You're using WAY too much gear.

 

[bigmk]

Bulldog,

There are two schools of thought on this subject. I can see where some would think that this may be too much, others consider this a starting point. In for a dime in for a dollar! If your gonna put substances in your body you might as well put the amount which is going to work for you. I just dont grow off of the minimal amounts I see posted here on a regular basis.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Bulldog,

There are two schools of thought on this subject. I can see where some would think that this may be too much, others consider this a starting point. In for a dime in for a dollar! If your gonna put substances in your body you might as well put the amount which is going to work for you. I just dont grow off of the minimal amounts I see posted here on a regular basis.

What did your past cycles look like (aside from the one you posted)? If you've tried low(er) doses before and haven't gained, I'd take a long hard look at your diet and training before upping the gear. The way I see it, the gear (especially the AMOUNT of gear) is only a part of the equation, and I think diet is more influential on your gains than how much juice you're on.

Just my opinion bro...take it with a grain of salt. (whatever that means).

 

[Mavy]

Ya ... I think that going over 2grams of gear is a little overkill as well ... but ... if your previous cycles have been like this and you feel comfortable that you need that much to grow ... well then...???

I would also maybe try a revamp on your diet as well.

Also ... thats a fairly stiff dose of tren. With 125/day of tren and 1 gram of test, you may start to run into some problems.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

To each his own. If this amount of gear is what you are comfortable with, then go for it. For me personally, it is way too much gear.

Can you actually keep any of your gains when you come off 13 weeks of 2-3 grams? I just dont think you will keep much off your gains when you come off 3 grams (wks 6-13 about 3 grams EW).

Good luck, and I hope you are getting blood work done broheim.

Peace

 

[JuicePimp]

Yup, not Radar or BigAndy, but I do agree that does seem like a lot of gear. Though you should grow with the stack you have put together. However, I do not think that you will get much benefit out of the EQ at a dose over 800mg/wk.

I think you could cut the EQ down to the 600-800mg range.
I also think that if the tren is mixed correctly, you could do at most 100mg/ED.

 

[RADAR]

looks abit overkill to me and i can imagine the anxiety you will get from EQ at that dose!
not to mention tren! I agree with the other members ,if you can't gain off of more moderate doses then something is def. wrong.

RADAR

 

[bigmk]

Radar,

Give me a little more information. What does your cycle look like? EQ gives you anxiety..I have heard this from other members im running Tren right now as a matter of fact and not experiencing any sides. Except of course for some pain after injecting. What is a mderate dose for you?

THANKS!!

 

[eviction]

Im 31 5'11" 225 lean, 14 yrs. lifting. Last cycle was 1 gram Sus. and 600 deca/week. Ran dbol at 40mg/day for first five weeks.

How does this look like for my next cycle to add some more quality size?

1 gram EQ/wk 1-13
1 gram test enanthate/wk 1-13
50mg drol/day 1-5 weeks
Tren 125/day 6-13 weeks

What do you think guys? Give me some feedback.

those dosages im sure are safe. if you are a 667lb horse.

 

[needsize]

bigmk, I dont think the doses are that bad, although the tren maybe a little much. I dont grow off of small doses myself. I eat 500 grams of protein a day, along with about 6000 calories, but if I go with low to moderate doses, I dont grow at all. I've seen both sides of the fence, some guys blow up on small amounts, others need 3x as much to make gains.
That being said, I dont think it looks bad at all, except for I think 75mg of tren would be plenty on top of all that

 

[needsize]

I forgot to mention, I ran something very similar last year, and was blood tested every 2 months and everything remained in the normal range

 

[bigmk]

Needsize,

Thanks for the input! Its interesting looking at the feedback from this post. There are - always have been two sides to this fence. While these doses I propose are at the high end of my spectrum I just wont grow off low doses period! Others like me see where im coming from, others just think the doses are to high. Im curious to see how long the low dose enthusiast have been lifting seriously and what their goals might be?

 

[needsize]

Needsize,

Thanks for the input! Its interesting looking at the feedback from this post. There are - always have been two sides to this fence. While these doses I propose are at the high end of my spectrum I just wont grow off low doses period! Others like me see where im coming from, others just think the doses are to high. Im curious to see how long the low dose enthusiast have been lifting seriously and what their goals might be?

I really do think it has a lot to do with how much mass you've already added to your frame. In my case, I am tiny framed, and started at around 130lbs, and am now currently at 245lbs, so thats 115lbs gain so far. Looking at it that way, its no wonder it takes a lot for me to grow

 

[psychedout]

Well...... the doses are too much for me. But to each his own.

One think I would do is run fina from 12-17. Your not going to be able to start PCT till week 17 because 1 gram of EQ and 1 gram of Test will take a long time to clear your system. Might as well keep AAS levels in the blood high until PCT starts.

 

[flex2win]

I think that if you posted your usage history we could all put this bedtime story to sleep...

 

[JuicePimp]

And people on the boards wonder why many of the vets and people who have been around longer and/or compete dont post their cycles.

Look what happened to this guy who we dont even know all that well. Subjected to ridicule.

Not saying this cycle is or isnt right for him, just something to think about. For many people, after you have 5-10 cycles under your belt, the dosages do start to get higher for whatever reason. As long as the bloodwork, etc. checks out ok, I really dont see a problem with it.

 

[Dial_tone]

My thing is that somebody who uses that much gear should be experienced enough not to have to ask a question like this.
As the all knowing guru SofaGeorge said: "If you have to ask a question you haven't done enough research".

man, that's a boatload of gear.

 

[JuicePimp]

My thing is that somebody who uses that much gear should be experienced enough not to have to ask a question like this.
As the all knowing guru SofaGeorge said: "If you have to ask a question you haven't done enough research".

man, that's a boatload of gear.

Right again, what can I say.

 

[liquidmuscle]

whatever works for you, as long as someone monitors your health why not?

 

[bicepts101]

My thing is that somebody who uses that much gear should be experienced enough not to have to ask a question like this.
As the all knowing guru SofaGeorge said: "If you have to ask a question you haven't done enough research".

man, that's a boatload of gear.

true, true

 

[bigmk]

"If you have to ask a question you haven't done enough research".


Dial Tone,

This statement is very questionable. So you are saying that no one should ever ask a question period? That all post on here are because people have not enough research. This is very foolish and nieve at best.

Lets get this out of the way. I waited for twelve years of heavy natural lifting before I ever touched AS. I got bigger than most people on steriods before even touching a drug, most thought I was on way before I entered the dark side. Alot of the people I see on here are kids. I do not judge people (never) judge people who ask questions because that is how we learn. Better to ask than make a stupid mistake.

AS far as my own question I was looking for feedback from vets who have maybe used a similiar cycle. I have always used high doses just not this combination before. I would like to thank the good bros who have taken the time to offer their advice and inspiration.

While this is not directed at one particular person, the people who I have encounterd on Elite are really stand up guys lets try to stick with the topic. I have noticed more recently many people are getting flamed, I see this relating to the immaturity of some of the younger members on a constant basis.

Bottom line, we are all brothers here, lets learn from one another and quit the BS!

Charles
"Bigmk"

 

[DaddyX]

i like it

 

[bigmk]

Bumping this one time to get feedback from some vets. Lets hear it guys!

 

[Super Test 2004]

Looks like too much gear.
Gains are great unless you have to die to get them.

 

[BigAndy69]

The layout is fairly good except at the end.

I'm assuming you plan to come off?

If so, the end of the cycle doesn't make much sense, you are extending it by 3-4 weeks before you can hit post cycle therapy.

As far as Drol, I would keep it to 4 weeks, and shorten the Tren to W5-11.

I would shorten the Eq to 11 weeks (It will take at least 4 weeks to clear at 1g a week.)

Enanthate, shorten it to 11 weeks as well and add Prop w12-15

Personally, I would add a little anavar at the very end past the prop by 2 weeks or so.

 

[Dial_tone]

The fact that you don't like an answer doesn't automatically make it a flame. It's alot of gear and many people said so. You asked the question

What do you think guys? Give me some feedback.

However, I stand by my flame. With a moderate amount of reading you could have determined what other people with your size & experience are doing. If you think your body responds that much differently from anyone else why ask the question in the first place?

 

[bigmk]

BigAndy,

This is just the advice I was looking for. I will definately analyze what you suggest and make some changes accordingly.

Dial Tone,

I dont mind constructive feedback. Look at what some of the other vets on here suggested and you will learn what this is. It looks like to much gear...the end, is basically mindless. I have noticed you do at times suggest good advice. Just because you dont use these amounts, some of us do. Who is wrong? I say niether. Use what works for YOU ! Im a grown man with a long history of working out, this works for me.

Why did I ask the question? Refer to my previous post.