Newborn circumcision below 50% in two years

[hellorhih2o]

How the hell they come up with these projections I don't know, but this site (obviously partial) is saying that less than half of all newborn boys will be circumcised in just two years (2005). Even if their projecting is wrong, it'll happen soon. I guess high school locker rooms will look a bit different 15 years from now.

File under: Useless Trivia.

http://www.boystoo.com/history/statistics.htm

 

[JohnnyMolson]

Doctors are discouraging it....pushing the argument that it is just cosmetic. Funny...they don't seem to factor in that most women prefer circumsised cock. If I ever have a son, and they are assholes at the hospital, I will seek out a rabbi who does the whole briss ceremony if I have to...don't give a shit about the cost, and as long as he gets paid...I don't think he'll care that I'm not Jewish.

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

LOL - I can't imagine caring that much about such a thing.

 

[F117A Active Stealth]

I imagine it makes you last longer in bed, therefore pleasing women.

People against it are just jackasses who hate God and who hate the Jews...

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

OMGWTFBBQ has an anteater

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

OMGWTFBBQ has an anteater

What makes you say this?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

its a pointless operation and docs are leaning away from it bigtime these days

leave it tehre if you really want it you can get it done when you are older and have the choice

apparently uncircumcised guys feel sex better since the tip is a mucous membraneish and is desensitised by drying out and banging around in your jocks

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

What makes you say this?

pics

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

pics

LMAO
right

 

[Bikini Mod]

There was quite a long thread about this on the between the sheets board. Perhaps some of you should do a search. You might find it quite enlightening.

"most chicks prefer a circumsized cock"

Did this statement come from a woman who has had sex from LOTS of men both circumsized and not. Or a man who had no say in whether or not the foreskin was ripped from his newborn penis?

 

[Lumberg]

There was quite a long thread about this on the between the sheets board. Perhaps some of you should do a search. You might find it quite enlightening.

"most chicks prefer a circumsized cock"

Did this statement come from a woman who has had sex from LOTS of men both circumsized and not. Or a man who had no say in whether or not the foreskin was ripped from his newborn penis?

someone with plat post a link!

 

[Bikini Mod]

Here ya go!

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61860&highlight=circumcision

 

[Buddy_Christ]

LOL - I can't imagine caring that much about such a thing.

i cared about it a lot.

i have a son, he's 3 now. "uncut hunks" have to clean under their foreskin all the time, no big deal when you're old enough to do it yourself. however, when it comes to diaper changes.....

i'll put it this way. i'm secure in my masculinity, and i know he's my son and that i've gotta clean him up (lil brat won't learn to go on the toilet either, damn himi!), but really, i don't wanna be touching him all that much. the less the better.

if he really wants it back, he can go to a plastic surgeon later on in life and have foreskin put back on. it can be done and men have had it done.

 

[Bikini Mod]

i cared about it a lot.

i have a son, he's 3 now. "uncut hunks" have to clean under their foreskin all the time, no big deal when you're old enough to do it yourself. however, when it comes to diaper changes.....

i'll put it this way. i'm secure in my masculinity, and i know he's my son and that i've gotta clean him up (lil brat won't learn to go on the toilet either, damn himi!), but really, i don't wanna be touching him all that much. the less the better.

if he really wants it back, he can go to a plastic surgeon later on in life and have foreskin put back on. it can be done and men have had it done.

My nephews are both uncut. They are ages 6 1/2 and 3 and sorry, but you are incorrect. Neither of them has ever had a problem with being clean or "touched".

As for having your foreskin "put back". I can't comment on this intelligently as I have never heard of such a thing. But I can't see how you can all of the sudden restore the sensitivity to the head of a man's penis after a lifetime of being rubbed raw to the point of insensitivity.

Not trying to start something here, but you really had the foreskin of your newborn son literally ripped from his penis, one of the most sensitive areas of his body, because you didn't want to touch it too much? Would you have ripped the skin from him face for the same reason? Come on, that makes no sense.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

bikinimom - i hear ya. it does make it a bit easier for cleaning to have the foreskin removed.

having the forskin put back....i read it in a magizine a few years ago. there are plastic surgeons doing it. hey, if they're willing to do breast implants and inject fat into the labia for a fuller, tighter feel, why wouldn't they want to capitalize a bit more and offer to put the foreskin back on?

the sensitivity thing....well, i've been all my life w/out my foreskin, so i can't compare my sensitivity to a man that still has his. however, things seem to be feelin pretty good for me

 

[Lumberg]

Damn that was a long thread.

The anti-circ people are a little nutty though. Check out this page:

http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/videos.htm

Now who exactly are they catering to with this wide selection of cicrumcision videos?

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

Now who exactly are they catering to with this wide selection of cicrumcision videos?

NAMBLA perverts

 

[Mr. dB]

Foreskins are your friends! It's a nice, cozy place to keep it tucked away when it's not in use, and it gives the ladies some extra toys to play with.

It's sweet payback for all the times I got called "doggy dick" in Jr. high school gym, to know that most of those assholes' grandsons will be intact.

 

[hellorhih2o]

Whoa.... I had no idea that this thread would stir up that many emotions...

The argument that beats me is "women prefer cut dicks, they look better". There are PLENTY of (primarily African) nations where female circumcision is the norm because "men prefer circumcised women, it looks better". If that had been the case the US, this would be a HUGE political debate about male chauvinistic and how wrong it would be for men to mutilate women because of esthetics. In fact, most American government agencies and many American organizations are trying to stop female circumcision in other parts of the world simply because "it's wrong".

And... looks is just a question of what you're used to. Ask European women and they'll most likely tell you that a "mutilated" dick looks ugly...

 

[Bikini Mod]

Female circumcision has nothing to do with "aesthetics". It is all about abuse and control. It is by far one of the most inhumane practises that I have ever heard of.

For the record I am against BOTH male and female circumcision. Unless there is a problem that presents itself later in life - leave that little pecker the way it was created.

 

[ChefWide]

All three of my boys are natural. Key word there, folks: NATURAL. The way we have evolved. Would you give your baby a nose job? or a tummy tuck? or lipo? Sounds so horrendous that its silly, isnt it?

"Excuse me Sir, we have a custom that originated about 5 thousand years ago, hasn't been updated since, it involves hurting your baby for no benefit what so ever, and a bunch of things can and do go wrong with it, and later in life there is NO WAY TO REGENERATE THE SEVERED NERVES that we will crush in the process, are you cool with that?"

"uh... No."

End of discussion.

 

[Kopaka]

My two nephews are both circumsized, and they deaden the nerves with novacaine, then trim the skin. Then they put a little cover over the head which comes off in like two weeks.
BTW one of them cried and one didn't cry. I guess the second one got better novacaine

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

I imagine it makes you last longer in bed, therefore pleasing women.

People against it are just jackasses who hate God and who hate the Jews...

This is just about the dumbest post on this thread........but it does have some serious competition.

 

[hellorhih2o]

Female circumcision has nothing to do with "aesthetics". It is all about abuse and control. It is by far one of the most inhumane practises that I have ever heard of.

Ok, that's slitting hair in my book. One useless argument (abuse and control) doesn’t justify another useless argument (esthetics). Very thin line.

And I don't think circumcising boys is any less inhumane then girls. It's STILL surgery done WITHOU anesthesia to my knowledge. No one would do that to an adult in the US.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Darlin' by your comments one would think that I am IN FAVOR of male circumcision.

WHERE DID YOU GET AN IDEA LIKE THAT?

I have four female children. Had I had a male child my marriage would have ended before there were any more. My exhusband was dead set on having the procedure done (mutilating his newborn son so "he could look like me" DUH!) and I would have allowed it only "OVER MY DEAD BODY".

Are we clear now?

 

[hellorhih2o]

My two nephews are both circumsized, and they deaden the nerves with novacaine, then trim the skin. Then they put a little cover over the head which comes off in like two weeks.
BTW one of them cried and one didn't cry. I guess the second one got better novacaine

You might have point there but from what I understand, a LOT of circumcisions are still done the ol' fashioned way, without any anesthesia whatsoever. I can accept that parents want to do it for religious reasons (or other reasons for that matter) but to do it and purposely hurt a kid (no one is going to tell me that cutting off as many nerve endings as there are in lips doesn't hurt), is just barbaric.

 

[hellorhih2o]

Darlin' by your comments one would think that I am IN FAVOR of male circumcision.

WHERE DID YOU GET AN IDEA LIKE THAT?

I have four female children. Had I had a male child my marriage would have ended before there were any more. My exhusband was dead set on having the procedure done (mutilating his newborn son so "he could look like me" DUH!) and I would have allowed it only "OVER MY DEAD BODY".

Are we clear now?

We're clear sweetie No, I didn't think you were FOR it, my point was just that the "he could look like me" argument is as braindead as the control arguments for female mutilation you'll find in Africa.

But my appologies, didn't mean to go off on you. You DID say that you're dead against it. Sorry

 

[Bikini Mod]

Darlin' it's all good....

I am so glad to see that there are many men, like yourself that can see the "so he will look like me" arguement FOR circumcision IS BRAINDEAD. That is only one reason why my husband is now THE EX! LOL

 

[anabolicmd]

Doctors are discouraging it....pushing the argument that it is just cosmetic. Funny...they don't seem to factor in that most women prefer circumsised cock. If I ever have a son, and they are assholes at the hospital, I will seek out a rabbi who does the whole briss ceremony if I have to...don't give a shit about the cost, and as long as he gets paid...I don't think he'll care that I'm not Jewish.

Bro, dont trust your kids genitals and his future to some rabbi. If you must bitcher your boy up, do it safely in a medical environment, not in a back office of some moldy synagogue. Remember - synagogues are for praying, hospitals are for medical procedures.

 

[hellorhih2o]

I imagine it makes you last longer in bed, therefore pleasing women.

People against it are just jackasses who hate God and who hate the Jews...

And here's the most intelligent comment of them all. Captivating argument. Brilliant.

So the Catholic and Protestant parents all over the world who believe in the Christian God ALL HATE God because they don't circumcise their little boys? The vast majority of Christian boys around the world are NOT circumcised. Horrible parents. Hating their kids and all? Jeez.

Jewish circuimcisions is different in my mind. That truly is a religious issue and I respect that. I'd just like to personally slap any Rabbi who does it withoug novacain.

And cut dicks please women more because you last longer? I think it's true that circumcised men can last longer (because they have fewer nerve endings to stimulate their Johnson), but if you ask women who've had both, many will beg to differ. The added skin provides a LOT of "natural lubrication" and makes the whole experience a lot smoother.

But I'm waisting my time... I'm just a jackass who hates God and the Jews.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Unless you are a jew (which believe it or not many Jews are also questioning the validity of the procedure) there is only one reason for removing the foreskin from a newborn child's penis.

PURELY COSMETIC.

It has nothing to do with "cleanliness" or "what most chicks prefer".

It has to do with the father wanting the son to look like him.

Guess what? I have four daughters and the do NOT "look like me". Should I get them implants and glue hair on their underarms or privates too?

Come on people.... THINK.

 

[hellorhih2o]

That is only one reason why my husband is now THE EX! LOL

Good Riddance!

 

[anabolicmd]

I imagine it makes you last longer in bed, therefore pleasing women.

People against it are just jackasses who hate God and who hate the Jews...

I mean seriously, people are really brainwashed when they think this way. But this post has to be sarcastic, right?

 

[Bikini Mod]

Good Riddance!

From your lips to the ears of the universe.

Now if only HE could "get it". LOL

 

[Mandinka2]

I imagine it makes you last longer in bed, therefore pleasing women.

People against it are just jackasses who hate God and who hate the Jews...

No offence mang and I mean this honestly and truly but the US heads the world in impotence charts , there have even been studies demonstrating the link between impotence and circ , it makes some sense when u consider that ur killing a lot of nerves. I love J.C. and I'm from the most God-loving country in the Western World - Ireland and we'll keep our children male and female the way God and nature intended them. Peace to you.

 

[Mandinka2]

Female circumcision has nothing to do with "aesthetics". It is all about abuse and control. It is by far one of the most inhumane practises that I have ever heard of.

For the record I am against BOTH male and female circumcision. Unless there is a problem that presents itself later in life - leave that little pecker the way it was created.

Hmmm.... BikiniMom you are/should be well aware that aesthetics have a major role to play in both forms of circumcision or at least have been used when medical arguments have failed:
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/intro/mgmfgm.html
Someone else mentioned about removing "chunks" - smegma , although those chunks are a natural lubricant , women produce far more than men and no one is really advocating daily internal washings of female genitalia with detergents now are they? Why is that? Do people really care so less for male health than female health?
It amazes me that people come to this site to learn the miuntae of injection procedure and safe application of AAS and yet will tun their back in an instant on the proper care of their child's sexual health purely from a lack of desire , a lack of love for their child. Worse than that they will even damage that child.... what a sad sad people. You go to war in other countries to tell people how to live and to "protect their rights" and yet you wont do that for your own sons.

 

[anabolicmd]

Hmmm.... BikiniMom you are/should be well aware that aesthetics have a major role to play in both forms of circumcision or at least have been used when medical arguments have failed:
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/intro/mgmfgm.html
Someone else mentioned about removing "chunks" - smegma , although those chunks are a natural lubricant , women produce far more than men and no one is really advocating daily internal washings of female genitalia with detergents now are they? Why is that? Do people really care so less for male health than female health?
It amazes me that people come to this site to learn the miuntae of injection procedure and safe application of AAS and yet will tun their back in an instant on the proper care of their child's sexual health purely from a lack of desire , a lack of love for their child. Worse than that they will even damage that child.... what a sad sad people. You go to war in other countries to tell people how to live and to "protect their rights" and yet you wont do that for your own sons.

Mandinka, you really do know how to put it all together sometimes.

 

[Mandinka2]

Mandinka, you really do know how to put it all together sometimes.

Thanks mang , i really dont mean to offend these people , the greatest Irishman ever born was John F. Kennedy , but sometimes I think they have a little difficulty seeing the wood from the trees. I'm sure that the practice will vanish in time , only protected by the Jewish and Muslim traditions (as FGM is in Africa) , and then it'll eventually be outlawed...rightly.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I am aware that people use this arguement, but what I am saying is that it is silly.

For females they don't use the arguement about aesthetics, they admit they do it to kill the woman's desire for sex by removing the areas of her sex organs that are most sensitive and sew her vagina up so that only the tiniest opening remain. The hole barely allows for the passage of menstrual blood. This is done to insure that she will be a virgin before marriage.

For females it is about abuse and control.

For males it is about "aesthetics" (whatever that means).

Either way it is mutilation: unnecessary and cruel. I have yet to hear one sound arguement from a proponent of male and/or female circumcision.

"I want my son to look like me"

or

"I want my daughter to be a virgin until marriage"

AIN'T A SOUND ARGUEMENT.


..just my humble .02

 

[anabolicmd]

Thanks mang , i really dont mean to offend these people , the greatest Irishman ever born was John F. Kennedy , but sometimes I think they have a little difficulty seeing the wood from the trees. I'm sure that the practice will vanish in time , only protected by the Jewish and Muslim traditions (as FGM is in Africa) , and then it'll eventually be outlawed...rightly.

I know what you mean, but modern America is built on the murder of that great Irishman, so maybe thats why our thinking is so confused.

 

[Mandinka2]

I am aware that people use this arguement, but what I am saying is that it is silly.

Ok on this we agree

For females they don't use the arguement about aesthetics,

Eh... yes they do - see the link i posted above

they admit they do it to kill the woman's desire for sex by removing the areas of her sex organs that are most sensitive and sew her vagina up so that only the tiniest opening remain. The hole barely allows for the passage of menstrual blood. This is done to insure that she will be a virgin before marriage.

What you describe is the pharonic method - the most uncommon and most brutal form of female circumcision - actually the sewing itself is performed even more rarely , and no they dont admit to this (unless they're being honest) - "Female circumcision protects the health of a woman. Infibulation prevents the uterus from falling out [uterine prolapse]. It keeps her smelling so sweet that her husband will be pleased. If it is not done, she will stink and get worms in her vagina."

For females it is about abuse and control.

For males it is about "aesthetics" (whatever that means).

For males it was also about control , it was introduced in the U.S. during the 1930's purely as a method of preventing masturbation , the aesthetic argument has only arisen since masturbation began to be regarded as no longer being medically malevolvent.

Either way it is mutilation: unnecessary and cruel. I have yet to hear one sound arguement from a proponent of male and/or female circumcision.

"I want my son to look like me"

or

"I want my daughter to be a virgin until marriage"

AIN'T A SOUND ARGUEMENT.


..just my humble .02

Agreed.

 

[hellorhih2o]

I am aware that people use this arguement, but what I am saying is that it is silly.

For females they don't use the arguement about aesthetics, they admit they do it to kill the woman's desire for sex by removing the areas of her sex organs that are most sensitive and sew her vagina up so that only the tiniest opening remain. The hole barely allows for the passage of menstrual blood. This is done to insure that she will be a virgin before marriage.

For females it is about abuse and control.

For males it is about "aesthetics" (whatever that means).

Either way it is mutilation: unnecessary and cruel. I have yet to hear one sound arguement from a proponent of male and/or female circumcision.

"I want my son to look like me"

or

"I want my daughter to be a virgin until marriage"

AIN'T A SOUND ARGUEMENT.


..just my humble .02

Very well spoken. Definitely green for that, girl.

The "esthetic" argument is also weird in and of itself. Esthetics is all a question of what you're used to. 15 years from now, less than 50% of high school boys will be cut. If the trend continues (which I'm sure it will, since the American Academy of Pediatrics has advised against it), this means that in 25-30 years, cut high school boys will be in the minority and I guarantee that they'll be looked at as the "weirdoes" (not fair to them, but that's just how it works).

Don't buy the esthetics argument either…

 

[Robert Jan]

most american women only prefer circumsized penis because theyre used to it. whats the big deal there anyway it all looks the same when erect. anyway if anybody is actually interested in the real debate behind this

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=circumsize

 

[Robert Jan]

also for the one-liner, to target people without an attention span-

Pain should not be the first experience of a penis.

 

[Mandinka2]

I know what you mean, but modern America is built on the murder of that great Irishman, so maybe thats why our thinking is so confused.

I don't understand exactly why America has chosen to embrace its current brace of leaders , I do not know why after Kennedy it did not embrace idealism and put forward its best and brightest for the post and I cannot comprehend why it does not help its youth to be informed of the great issues of our time. But having said all that , I still have hope that a great leader will come forward in time and that Americans will re-claim the ideals they were once so admired for.

 

[Robert Jan]

as an un circumsized guy i have always pondered this- how do you masturbate without foreskin?

you need lube or something?

'lol'

also in a world where everyone wants the biggest prick what sense does it make to go and cut a piece off...

 

[Robert Jan]

the erogenous, sexual, protective, and immunological functions of the foreskin are greater than any of you circumsized guys will ever know.

 

[anabolicmd]

I don't understand exactly why America has chosen to embrace its current brace of leaders , I do not know why after Kennedy it did not embrace idealism and put forward its best and brightest for the post and I cannot comprehend why it does not help its youth to be informed of the great issues of our time. But having said all that , I still have hope that a great leader will come forward in time and that Americans will re-claim the ideals they were once so admired for.

Well, I think the killing of JFK was where the ideological scales were tipped in the favor of the kind of people leading the US today. Its almost like a stranger coming into a family home, murdering the father and taking over the household. Its not going to be the same loving home after that.

 

[Mandinka2]

Well, I think the killing of JFK was where the ideological scales were tipped in the favor of the kind of people leading the US today. Its almost like a stranger coming into a family home, murdering the father and taking over the household. Its not going to be the same loving home after that.

Do you really feel that he was murdered by agents of the successive administration? I honestly don't know - I didn't read the Warren Commission's report myself , I do think that more could have been done to prevent Bobby's death though. I do understand what you mean though , the current U.S. politicians seem to be so lacking in (world) education it's amazing. Maybe you're right , maye this is the end of an empire that we're witnessing. Sad to think that that the ship was sunk by members of the crew.

 

[rnch]

i am still a lil' bit upset with my parents for butchering me at birth.

 

[Mr. dB]

Bro, dont trust your kids genitals and his future to some rabbi. If you must bitcher your boy up, do it safely in a medical environment, not in a back office of some moldy synagogue. Remember - synagogues are for praying, hospitals are for medical procedures.

Actually, rabbis probably perform the "best" circumcisions. Doing it freehand, instead of with a Plastibell or Gomco clamp, takes away less skin. The mohel is probably more experienced with the procedure than the green resident that probably gets stuck with the task at the hospital.

 

[Mandinka2]

Actually, rabbis probably perform the "best" circumcisions. Doing it freehand, instead of with a Plastibell or Gomco clamp, takes away less skin. The mohel is probably more experienced with the procedure than the green resident that probably gets stuck with the task at the hospital.

How do you think he got that experience? I would never consider nor condone anything like this , but a guy with a scalpel in someone's home without access to a plethora of medical equipment about to cut something with FIVE arteries present??? Eh.... nope.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Mandinka, thank u for setting the record straight!

It pleases me to no end to see intelligence winning out over stupidity.

My bro-in-law IS circumsized. His two sons ARE NOT.

 

[Mandinka2]

Mandinka, thank u for setting the record straight!

It pleases me to no end to see intelligence winning out over stupidity.

My bro-in-law IS circumsized. His two sons ARE NOT.

My pleasure hon , I became interested in the topic whilst studying medical textbooks in college (when I should have been studying engineering lol) , then I read the book "Desert flower" by the Somalian model Waris about female circ but elite has given me a chance to pass on what I learned. I feel sorry for your bro-in law and delighted that he (perhaps through your help) has seen the light.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Nope, can't take credit for my BIL seeing the light. My sister laid it down for him!

He is really a good man. After having been burned very badly by the men that I have allowed deep into my affections, it is guys like my BIL that give me faith.

(And guys like you! )

 

[Mandinka2]

Nope, can't take credit for my BIL seeing the light. My sister laid it down for him!

He is really a good man. After having been burned very badly by the men that I have allowed deep into my affections, it is guys like my BIL that give me faith.

(And guys like you! )

Shtop it shailor willya???? Hit me up when/if u get back to Paris , I have a shitload of vacation to take.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Yea, yea promises promises! LOL

Paris is definitely not done with me yet, sir. I can't wait to bring my girls there. There and the whole rest of the world!

 

[Mr. dB]

How do you think he got that experience? I would never consider nor condone anything like this , but a guy with a scalpel in someone's home without access to a plethora of medical equipment about to cut something with FIVE arteries present??? Eh.... nope.

I'm not defending the procedure, and I'm eternally grateful that I'm the only member of my family who somehow managed to escape the knife, BUT -- if I HAS to be done, I'd trust a mohel with an infant's peepee more than some shaky-handed resident.

There are always horror stories about botched circumcisions performed in hospitals, but you never hear these stories about problems with the Jewish version of the procedure.

I saw in the news a few months ago about some charity that was sponsoring doctors to go to the Muslim areas of the former states of Yugoslavia to perform mass circumcisions for all the Muslim men who had missed out on being cut as boys because they lived in a godless commie country. These doctors should be lined up and shot. I've heard of similar programs for Russian Jews, both in Russia and those who have emigrated to Israel.

Seems to me that the Jews could meet the letter of the law of God's Covenant with Abraham with a simple blood-letting ceremony, without actually cutting anything off.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Actually it is the gynecologist who delivers the baby that performs the circumcision. (In my area anyways.)

 

[Mandinka2]

I'm not defending the procedure, and I'm eternally grateful that I'm the only member of my family who somehow managed to escape the knife, BUT -- if I HAS to be done, I'd trust a mohel with an infant's peepee more than some shaky-handed resident.

There are always horror stories about botched circumcisions performed in hospitals, but you never hear these stories about problems with the Jewish version of the procedure.

I saw in the news a few months ago about some charity that was sponsoring doctors to go to the Muslim areas of the former states of Yugoslavia to perform mass circumcisions for all the Muslim men who had missed out on being cut as boys because they lived in a godless commie country. These doctors should be lined up and shot. I've heard of similar programs for Russian Jews, both in Russia and those who have emigrated to Israel.

Seems to me that the Jews could meet the letter of the law of God's Covenant with Abraham with a simple blood-letting ceremony, without actually cutting anything off.

I agree with you about those "doctors" , what a shower of bastards eh? There are some Israeli Jews now who do not perform circumcision , merely cutting a piece of fruit as a symbol. But honestly , Jews and Muslims will do anything to deflect criticism from their traditions and I'll bet that is the real reason you don't hear anything.

 

[PIGEON-RAT]

good thread.

the last 2 girls i banged were jews, i bet yahweh is pissed that they took my uncircumcised flesh balloon

 

[Mr. dB]

good thread.

the last 2 girls i banged were jews, i bet yahweh is pissed that they took my uncircumcised flesh balloon

Haha, my last "conquest" was a Jewish MILF, she had never seen one before.

 

[Mr. dB]

It's interesting that ritual circumcision is practiced almost exclusively by people who originated in desert areas. Jews and Muslims come from the middle-east deserts; tribes from areas of sub-Saharan Africa, and the Australian Aborigines all do it, as did some of the ancient Egyptian nobility.

After having sex on the beach and getting some sand in there, I can kind of understand the origins of this practice... But for anyone who has access to running water, there's just no excuse.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Alot of emotionalism and personal preference thrown around in this thread as if it were facts or a solid defense of the practice.

In the end it is one's choice. But there are medical rationales that do support circumcision:

1. Reduction in penile cancer rate
2. Reduction in STD rates
3. Reduction in HPV transmission, with associated reduction in cervical cancer rates of partners

While these studies are statistical in nature, they present the idea of benefit from circumcision, whether they hold up to future research remains to be seen.

As for the argument of reduced sensitivity from circumcision, I can counter this argument with a question posited to any woman on this board: Do you really want a man who is more sensitive than the norm? How long do you think sex will last then?

 

[hellorhih2o]

Alot of emotionalism and personal preference thrown around in this thread as if it were facts or a solid defense of the practice.

In the end it is one's choice. But there are medical rationales that do support circumcision:

1. Reduction in penile cancer rate
2. Reduction in STD rates
3. Reduction in HPV transmission, with associated reduction in cervical cancer rates of partners

Well... I don't think they hold up in court right now or in the future. I realize that there's no 100% consensus about this but if you compare the US to other cultures with as high of a living standard and medical care, there's no statistical proof at all that any of the three rationales you mentioned are in fact true. I believe this is why the American Academy of Pediatrics finally said "not recommended". There's just, according to the AAP, no medical reason to do it.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Alot of emotionalism and personal preference thrown around in this thread as if it were facts or a solid defense of the practice.

In the end it is one's choice. But there are medical rationales that do support circumcision:

1. Reduction in penile cancer rate
2. Reduction in STD rates
3. Reduction in HPV transmission, with associated reduction in cervical cancer rates of partners

While these studies are statistical in nature, they present the idea of benefit from circumcision, whether they hold up to future research remains to be seen.

As for the argument of reduced sensitivity from circumcision, I can counter this argument with a question posited to any woman on this board: Do you really want a man who is more sensitive than the norm? How long do you think sex will last then?

Actually I beg to differ. Unless the pediatricians and my gynecologists were all terribly misinformed. I consulted all of these doctors that one would think would be in the know and all three pediatricians and all three gynecologists concurred:

THERE IS NO SOUND MEDICAL REASON TO CIRCUMCISE A NEWBORN MALE CHILD. IT IS DONE PURELY FOR COSMETIC PURPOSES.

As for the sensitivity issue. I don't have a penis so I don't know. T
hough I have not had gobs of sexual experiences I have had the sad misfortune to encounter men both circumcised and intact that didn't seem to be able to feel much of anything! LOL Never been with a guy who couldn't delay orgasm so I can't speak to that.

I think the only man who could 100% without bias answer a question about this issue is one that had their foreskin removed in adulthood in the midst of a course of a normal sex life. I personally know of only one man who had this done. He was 21 when he was circumcised but was also a virgin at the time so I dunno.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Actually I beg to differ. Unless the pediatricians and my gynecologists were all terribly misinformed. I consulted all of these doctors that one would think would be in the know and all three pediatricians and all three gynecologists concurred:

THERE IS NO SOUND MEDICAL REASON TO CIRCUMCISE A NEWBORN MALE CHILD. IT IS DONE PURELY FOR COSMETIC PURPOSES.

The evidence is purely statistical, as I stated, similar to the evidence that birth control pills increase breast cancer rates. Not stating that the three doctors are wrong, but I can find more doctors than that that are wrong on an issue. I can find 100 doctors who collectively know nothing about androgenic/anabolic steroids.

Circumcision was done for purely religious reasons historically, now it is done for purely cosmetic reasons, but this does not remove the possibility that this procedure may confer some benefit, just as it is possible that it may be detrimental. There is evidence to support either case.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Have you ever had your genitalia slit open or cut in any fashion? I have. Can I tell you - IT HURTS A LOT.

Now imagine you are a baby. You urinate and deficate in a diaper. That means that your freshly cut genitalia is exposed to these substances while you have to wait for someone to come and clean you... then your genitalia must be touched every time it has to be cleaned.

Is the picture getting clearer? I am not even talking about how they RIP THE SKIN WITHOUT ANESTHETIC. I asked my doctors when I heard that there is zero anesthetic administered. The answer had to do with how small the area was and something about majory arteries. (I don't recall the exact medical reason but the answer was NO - NO ANESTHETIC.

So, if someone is hell-bent on having a son with a "pretty penis" (whatever that is) it is purely up to those parents, you are correct. But for heaven's sake, can we not hide behind the "sound medical reason" arguement? Hundreds of years ago when people were nomads living in the desert it was a good idea, I am sure. But we don't live that way anymore, so what is the point?

 

[hellorhih2o]

The evidence is purely statistical, as I stated, similar to the evidence that birth control pills increase breast cancer rates. Not stating that the three doctors are wrong, but I can find more doctors than that that are wrong on an issue. I can find 100 doctors who collectively know nothing about androgenic/anabolic steroids.

Circumcision was done for purely religious reasons historically, now it is done for purely cosmetic reasons, but this does not remove the possibility that this procedure may confer some benefit, just as it is possible that it may be detrimental. There is evidence to support either case.

So how can you draw any conclusions? If the "evidence" is that vague (which I believe it is), who knows? I've read studies (credible or not) that claims that the skin is there to PROTECT the pecker from infections. I've also seen statistics the penile cancer and STD rates are as low (or lower) in Scandinavian countries than in the US. So the conclusion is...???

 

[Deterass]

There is a reason that most porn movies don't have uncut penises.They are fucking ugly!I'm sure it causes babies pain but i sure as hell don't remember it and i'm glad my parents opted to have mine circumsiced.Its hard for women like Bikini to understand from a male's point of view that our penis is prob the most important thing of our body.I have never had any prblems with mine but i'm sure alot of uncut cocks can't say the same.

 

[hellorhih2o]

There is a reason that most porn movies don't have uncut penises.They are fucking ugly!

Yeah that reason is that most porn is made in the US of A, where most guys still are cut.

 

[Mr. dB]

There is a reason that most porn movies don't have uncut penises.They are fucking ugly!

All penises are ugly. Except, of course, for mine.

 

[Mr. dB]

1. Reduction in penile cancer rate

There's no such thing as "penile cancer."

What there is, is skin cancer that just happens to occur on the penis. And the odds of getting it are less than the odds of a man contracting breast cancer. The rate of "penile cancer" reduction is equivalent in percentage to the amount of skin removed as a percentage of the total skin on your body. Less skin = less skin cancer.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Have you ever had your genitalia slit open or cut in any fashion? I have. Can I tell you - IT HURTS A LOT.

Now imagine you are a baby. You urinate and deficate in a diaper. That means that your freshly cut genitalia is exposed to these substances while you have to wait for someone to come and clean you... then your genitalia must be touched every time it has to be cleaned.

Is the picture getting clearer? I am not even talking about how they RIP THE SKIN WITHOUT ANESTHETIC. I asked my doctors when I heard that there is zero anesthetic administered. The answer had to do with how small the area was and something about majory arteries. (I don't recall the exact medical reason but the answer was NO - NO ANESTHETIC.

So, if someone is hell-bent on having a son with a "pretty penis" (whatever that is) it is purely up to those parents, you are correct. But for heaven's sake, can we not hide behind the "sound medical reason" arguement? Hundreds of years ago when people were nomads living in the desert it was a good idea, I am sure. But we don't live that way anymore, so what is the point?

Have you ever witnessed this procedure done? I have. My son was circumcized and he cried as much as he does when he is hungry, he stopped crying when it was over and he rarely cried when his diapers were changed. Is there an increase in infection, yes, but this is minimized if the incision is carefully protected. Not to mention, that you are wrong about anesthesia. Embla cream can be used, which is a xylocaine cream administered before the procedure.

I speculate, with little research to support me, again only speculate, that due to the infants underdeveloped cognitive state, pain is not the same as that of an adult. I have witnessed infants with serious burns that would require narcotics for an adult and the child barely cried and was otherwise happy and healthy.

Are you saying that this is the only procedure that we do which inflicts pain on infants? What about ear piercings? Is this not "unnecessary" pain? The main point is, does it really make a big difference in the long run? Is anyone really "hurt" by such procedures?

It is purely a personal choice, but from the vehement howls from the anti-circumcision crowds, too often I hear very emotion laced rhetoric, not science. There is statistical evidence on their side, but when I hear such arguments as "decreased sensitivity", "mutilation", "not whole", etc. it diminishes their argument.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Okay, you are correct.

 

[p0ink]

boy, i really did miss reading abl's posts.

 

[hellorhih2o]

Have you ever witnessed this procedure done? I have. My son was circumcized and he cried as much as he does when he is hungry, he stopped crying when it was over and he rarely cried when his diapers were changed. Is there an increase in infection, yes, but this is minimized if the incision is carefully protected. Not to mention, that you are wrong about anesthesia. Embla cream can be used, which is a xylocaine cream administered before the procedure.

I speculate, with little research to support me, again only speculate, that due to the infants underdeveloped cognitive state, pain is not the same as that of an adult. I have witnessed infants with serious burns that would require narcotics for an adult and the child barely cried and was otherwise happy and healthy.

Are you saying that this is the only procedure that we do which inflicts pain on infants? What about ear piercings? Is this not "unnecessary" pain? The main point is, does it really make a big difference in the long run? Is anyone really "hurt" by such procedures?

It is purely a personal choice, but from the vehement howls from the anti-circumcision crowds, too often I hear very emotion laced rhetoric, not science. There is statistical evidence on their side, but when I hear such arguments as "decreased sensitivity", "mutilation", "not whole", etc. it diminishes their argument.

OK, fair enough. I don't know if it's painless or not and no one else does either (you sort of can't ask an infant). But let's just say that it's 100% painless and your religion is fine with intact Johnsons, the question still remains: WHY? Circumcision is an answer looking for a problem.

Foreskin has as many nerve endings as lips. Even if it was 100% painless to remove your lips, would you?

(if so, send a pic)

 

[Heahy Minister]

Lot of ignorant comments about circumcision.

Males are born with a foreskin, therefore, leave it on.

 

[BO-DEN]

proud owner of an original penis

i love my for-skin

 

[Never Been a Member (NBM)]

http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/WMNS/Projects/Wmns36/bloodletting/mcircfra.htm

 

[BO-DEN]

People against it are just jackasses who hate God and who hate the Jews...

this is the dumest thing iv ever heard................orrrrr close to it

im not cut and i wouldnt cut my son.

not cuase i hate GOD or jews.... but because i dont want anyone cutting peices off my children especially the most important piece hell own.


my opinion

BO-DEN

 

[Never Been a Member (NBM)]

It's great having a foreskin... it's possible for many men to cum from foreskin stimulation alone.. Traditionally Americans have cut it off because of puritanical values i.e. they wished to prevent boys from evil masturbating.

In the UK most men are NOT circumcised. Over here a cut dick would be considered strange and novel by most women. As a mucous membrane, the glans is more similar to the eyeball and the gums as has already been mentioned. Removing the foreskin dries out the membrane and reduces sensitivity. Would you remove the eyelids or lips? There isn't a good argument for removing the foreskin in most men. It's lunacy. End of.

 

[atlantabiolab]

It's great having a foreskin... it's possible for many men to cum from foreskin stimulation alone.. Traditionally Americans have cut it off because of puritanical values i.e. they wished to prevent boys from evil masturbating.

In the UK most men are NOT circumcised. Over here a cut dick would be considered strange and novel by most women. As a mucous membrane, the glans is more similar to the eyeball and the gums as has already been mentioned. Removing the foreskin dries out the membrane and reduces sensitivity. Would you remove the eyelids or lips? There isn't a good argument for removing the foreskin in most men. It's lunacy. End of.

Personal preferences aside, the foreskin is not as protecting of function as say the eyelid or lips. Removing the two latter articles would create serious problems in the individual.

Also, I rarely see women claiming that men are just not sensitive enough during sex, i.e. sensitivity hastens ejaculation. I am not buying this as a great way of improving sex, save for the man alone. Are there really that many men who wish to have an orgasm MORE quickly?

As I stated earlier, it is personal preference.

 

[Never Been a Member (NBM)]

Personal preferences aside, the foreskin is not as protecting of function as say the eyelid or lips. Removing the two latter articles would create serious problems in the individual.

Also, I rarely see women claiming that men are just not sensitive enough during sex, i.e. sensitivity hastens ejaculation. I am not buying this as a great way of improving sex, save for the man alone. Are there really that many men who wish to have an orgasm MORE quickly?

As I stated earlier, it is personal preference.

Removing a body part that serves a delicious purpose is hardly personal preference; besides, your son had no say in the matter - it wasn't his preference it was yours!

 

[BO-DEN]

As I stated earlier, it is personal preference.

to bad newborns really cant choose they'r peronal prefernce.

 

[atlantabiolab]

to bad newborns really cant choose they'r peronal prefernce.

Your right, they can't, that is the function of parents.

 

[hellorhih2o]

Your right, they can't, that is the function of parents.

Which means that... it's NOT a PERSONAL preference.

 

[Never Been a Member (NBM)]

atlanta cut off his sons wee wee

 

[Mr. dB]

It's great having a foreskin... it's possible for many men to cum from foreskin stimulation alone..

Absolutely. I can achieve orgasm by merely rolling the lower end of my foreskin between my thumb and forefinger, and can control how long it takes to achieve orgasm by varying the intensity.

Okay, I know, that was too much information.

 

[Never Been a Member (NBM)]

I can orgasm by shoving carrots up my anus and shoving raisins up my japs eye..

 

[Mr. dB]

Also, I rarely see women claiming that men are just not sensitive enough during sex, i.e. sensitivity hastens ejaculation. I am not buying this as a great way of improving sex, save for the man alone. Are there really that many men who wish to have an orgasm MORE quickly?

This is a bullshit, ignorant rationalization. Uncut men do not necessarily have orgasms more quickly than cut men. Just because it's more sensitive doesn't mean it's a hair trigger. I, for one, find that I have a considerable amount of control over it, I can prolong the pleasure when we want to, or can go quickly if needed. There's nothing wrong with the equipment working the way it was originally designed.

 

[Never Been a Member (NBM)]

It must be pre-emptive..

Remove the foreskin before it has a chance of developing weapons of mass destruction.

 

[hellorhih2o]

Personal preferences aside, the foreskin is not as protecting of function as say the eyelid or lips. Removing the two latter articles would create serious problems in the individual.

By the way, this argument falls flat as well. It's probably true that it's not as protective lips. But the point is, IT'S AS SENSITIVE. Anyone who has ever had a great make out session, would you want to do without that from now until you meet your maker? Don't those nerve endings in your lips feel pretty good?

 

[Never Been a Member (NBM)]

Plus it keep it warm.

 

[BO-DEN]

Most guys only care what women prefer -- so when he figures it out by experience -- he can deal with it then. Personally i don't think women give a shit either way.

-= nav =-

this is right.

iv never had a girl say i should cut part of my dick off cuz its ugly....... bitches really shouldnt talk in that area.

at least mine dosnt look like it a sub sandwich

 

[hellorhih2o]

This is a stupid argument.

Leave the penis un-cut. If the baby grows up,a nd starts having sex -- and finds that women get disappointed when they see him naked looking like an ant-eater -- he can go get it cut himself.

Big whoppee.

Most guys only care what women prefer -- so when he figures it out by experience -- he can deal with it then. Personally i don't think women give a shit either way.

-= nav =-

Huh. Sort of brings up an interesting question. Is there any surgery that would RESTORE a dick's foreskin? Ya know, take a lil' skin from here and move it there kinda thing?

 

[atlantabiolab]

Which means that... it's NOT a PERSONAL preference.

Did you choose your grammer school? Did you choose the state your family lived in? Did you choose what clothes you wore as an adolescent?

Your pitiful attempts at arguing that children should determine their course in life makes you look stupid.

I already stated that the choice is personal, -that means parental choice, for you, H20. It is obvious that the anti-circumcision crowd has very strong feelings about this subject, feelings so strong that choice is not acceptable.

In reality, a mullet is more threatening to a child's well being than circumcision.

 

[hellorhih2o]

Did you choose your grammer school? Did you choose the state your family lived in? Did you choose what clothes you wore as an adolescent?

Your pitiful attempts at arguing that children should determine their course in life makes you look stupid.

I already stated that the choice is personal, -that means parental choice, for you, H20. It is obvious that the anti-circumcision crowd has very strong feelings about this subject, feelings so strong that choice is not acceptable.

In reality, a mullet is more threatening to a child's well being than circumcision.

Where and when did I argue that children should determine their course of life? Show me. Please.

Circumcision is NOT a personal choice for the person it affects. And you're right, neither is which grammar school you go to, where your parents lived or what clothes you wore as a kid. That's all true, but DO NOT call it a personal choice. Someone else (your parents) is making a choice for you that will LAST YOUR ENTIRE LIFE (which is not true about grammar school, where you lived as a kid or what clothes you wore). It's PERMANENT and you have no say in it and cannot change it later in life (to my knowledge).

Choice is very acceptable to me, but I'd prefer it if all men got to make that choice themselves when they're grown up.

Feel free to call me stupid, I don't care. I'm not the brightest bulb in the socket, but you might want to know that resorting to calling people stupid sort of makes you look... stupid. Or at least arrogant as all hell.

 

[Heahy Minister]

Once again simple rationale....

You are born that way, thus, leave it.

 

[Mr. dB]

Huh. Sort of brings up an interesting question. Is there any surgery that would RESTORE a dick's foreskin? Ya know, take a lil' skin from here and move it there kinda thing?

There are a few foreskin restoration surgery techniques, but they sound pretty scary and involve a lot of risk.

The more common method of foreskin restoration involves stretching the skin over time. If you put the skin under traction, new skin cells will grow. It's pretty much the same principle they use to grow skin for large grafts, or for the separation of conjoined twins.

I have a co-worker who has been working on this for a few years, and he is quite happy with the results. It doesn't happen overnight, though, it requires quite a bit of dedication. He has used methods that involve surgical tape and elastic straps, which can be concealed under clothing. Other methods he's tried involve hanging weights from it, or stretching the skin with rubber O-rings. A google search for "foreskin restoration" will probably turn up quite a few links.